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		<title>By: dean</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53759</link>
		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Littau,

You should check ot The Free State Project:

http://freestateproject.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Littau,</p>
<p>You should check ot The Free State Project:</p>
<p><a href="http://freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">http://freestateproject.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Friday Open Thread &#8212; Why America ?</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53682</link>
		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Friday Open Thread &#8212; Why America ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment to tarran&#8217;s post about the morality of armed rebellion, co-contributor Stephen Littau makes this point: I would caution anyone who would want to begin or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why nonviolence is not a choice &#124; The Libertarium</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53592</link>
		<dc:creator>Why nonviolence is not a choice &#124; The Libertarium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tarran at The Liberty Papers had a very insightful post regarding the appropriateness of armed rebellion. Tarran does address the improbability of an armed rebellion actually achieving its aims; my qualm with his argument is the contention that there would actually be a fight to begin with. This contention might be more applicable to the times when the gun barrels of oppressors were not that much bigger than those of the oppressed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tarran at The Liberty Papers had a very insightful post regarding the appropriateness of armed rebellion. Tarran does address the improbability of an armed rebellion actually achieving its aims; my qualm with his argument is the contention that there would actually be a fight to begin with. This contention might be more applicable to the times when the gun barrels of oppressors were not that much bigger than those of the oppressed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nitroadict</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53579</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitroadict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I recently decided to take the plunge with Rothbard via audio-book (For A New Liberty), and while I think reading would allow for more retention, it definitely is a time saver.  

I&#039;m thinking I might read The Fountainhead before reading AS, though.  If there is an audio-book version of it, what version would you recommend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I recently decided to take the plunge with Rothbard via audio-book (For A New Liberty), and while I think reading would allow for more retention, it definitely is a time saver.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking I might read The Fountainhead before reading AS, though.  If there is an audio-book version of it, what version would you recommend?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53576</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitroadict, 2 words: audio book :) 

I listened to Atlas Shrugged about 1 hour a day at work on audio book (the abridged edition; 10 1/2 hours on 10 discs).  

If you can listen at work or if you are taking a long road trip, this is the ideal time to listen. I simply do not have much spare time to read otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitroadict, 2 words: audio book :) </p>
<p>I listened to Atlas Shrugged about 1 hour a day at work on audio book (the abridged edition; 10 1/2 hours on 10 discs).  </p>
<p>If you can listen at work or if you are taking a long road trip, this is the ideal time to listen. I simply do not have much spare time to read otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitroadict</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53574</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitroadict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, RP did mention The Remnant in one of his videos, and further mentioned people being left behind that would be able to rebuild, although beyond that he didn&#039;t mention anything specific.  But yes, I also think it&#039;s an interesting and potentially effective idea; I&#039;d imagine it would definitely rally up the agorists.

I sadly have yet to read the book, but have read summaries of it.  I still have an immense back log of books piled up on my desk as it is, although as of late, some of her quotations are convincing me to possibly put the fountainhead &amp; AS higher up in the queue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, RP did mention The Remnant in one of his videos, and further mentioned people being left behind that would be able to rebuild, although beyond that he didn&#8217;t mention anything specific.  But yes, I also think it&#8217;s an interesting and potentially effective idea; I&#8217;d imagine it would definitely rally up the agorists.</p>
<p>I sadly have yet to read the book, but have read summaries of it.  I still have an immense back log of books piled up on my desk as it is, although as of late, some of her quotations are convincing me to possibly put the fountainhead &amp; AS higher up in the queue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, 
I just finished with Atlas Shrugged the other day (what an excellent book!). I can’t help but wonder if the non-violent tactics John Galt and his fellow “men of the mind” used to change the system would work? Imagine if a large number of entrepreneurs, industrialists, investors, inventers, etc. went on strike in hopes that the entire economy went to hell? If such a thing could be organized, I think that it would not take very long before we would see sweeping changes in attitudes toward achievement, free markets, individualism, and wealth distribution/creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
I just finished with Atlas Shrugged the other day (what an excellent book!). I can’t help but wonder if the non-violent tactics John Galt and his fellow “men of the mind” used to change the system would work? Imagine if a large number of entrepreneurs, industrialists, investors, inventers, etc. went on strike in hopes that the entire economy went to hell? If such a thing could be organized, I think that it would not take very long before we would see sweeping changes in attitudes toward achievement, free markets, individualism, and wealth distribution/creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would caution anyone who would want to begin or support an armed revolution against the government to study the French Revolution. There is always a chance that such actions can make matters worse, even if the revolution is successful. The French Revolution did not have the same success as the American Revolution. I would say that the outcome of the American Revolution is the exception, not the rule.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellent point. I&#039;ve often wondered what it was that made the American Revolution different from the French Revolution, the Revolutions of 1848, the Russian Revolution, or any of the countless number of third-world revolts against colonialism after World War II.

It&#039;s more, I think than just the fact that the American Colonies in the 18th Century were blessed with some incredibly wise men, though they clearly were. I think it comes down to the philosophical basis that they were working from.

The American revolutionaries had Smith and Locke and the writers that followed them. The French had who ? Voltaire ? In 1848 it was Marx. In Russia it was Marx and Lenin. And, in the third-world it was Marx, Lenin, and Ho Chi Minh. 

When you build your revolution on a foundation of sand, it&#039;s bound to fail in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<blockquote><p>I would caution anyone who would want to begin or support an armed revolution against the government to study the French Revolution. There is always a chance that such actions can make matters worse, even if the revolution is successful. The French Revolution did not have the same success as the American Revolution. I would say that the outcome of the American Revolution is the exception, not the rule.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent point. I&#8217;ve often wondered what it was that made the American Revolution different from the French Revolution, the Revolutions of 1848, the Russian Revolution, or any of the countless number of third-world revolts against colonialism after World War II.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more, I think than just the fact that the American Colonies in the 18th Century were blessed with some incredibly wise men, though they clearly were. I think it comes down to the philosophical basis that they were working from.</p>
<p>The American revolutionaries had Smith and Locke and the writers that followed them. The French had who ? Voltaire ? In 1848 it was Marx. In Russia it was Marx and Lenin. And, in the third-world it was Marx, Lenin, and Ho Chi Minh. </p>
<p>When you build your revolution on a foundation of sand, it&#8217;s bound to fail in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/06/when-is-armed-rebellion-appropriate/#comment-53565</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would caution anyone who would want to begin or support an armed revolution against the government to study the French Revolution. There is always a chance that such actions can make matters worse, even if the revolution is successful. The French Revolution did not have the same success as the American Revolution. I would say that the outcome of the American Revolution is the exception, not the rule. 

Even as bad as our government is at times (which we write about here on nearly a daily basis), we are still very free relative to most of the world. Freedom always yields to tyranny; it’s only a question of how rapidly it is allowed to happen. As a practical matter, we can only hope to slow this creeping tyranny to a level where we can work within the system. Armed revolution should always be the very last resort. 

Great post Tarran!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would caution anyone who would want to begin or support an armed revolution against the government to study the French Revolution. There is always a chance that such actions can make matters worse, even if the revolution is successful. The French Revolution did not have the same success as the American Revolution. I would say that the outcome of the American Revolution is the exception, not the rule. </p>
<p>Even as bad as our government is at times (which we write about here on nearly a daily basis), we are still very free relative to most of the world. Freedom always yields to tyranny; it’s only a question of how rapidly it is allowed to happen. As a practical matter, we can only hope to slow this creeping tyranny to a level where we can work within the system. Armed revolution should always be the very last resort. </p>
<p>Great post Tarran!</p>
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		<title>By: RegularRon</title>
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		<dc:creator>RegularRon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and I second the jackass quote from Comrade Clinton. 

I remember, after the OK city bombing when all thoughs sweeping laws were being passed.I had a sticker on my car that said &quot;I love my country but fear my Government&quot;. And I still hold to that belief. I had a few people question me about that sticker and calling me &quot;Un-American&quot;. It&#039;s moronic that the sheep will celebrat the 4th of July, but not understand what happened to get to that celebration. 

But to answer your question, &quot;When is Armed Rebellion Appropriate?&quot;..First and foremost, you would have to &quot;win the hearts and minds&quot; with atleast a quarter of the people. Secondly, the State would have to do something truly alarming to the beer drinking, nascar watching moron, so atleast we have the people waking up. And last but not least, be armed to the teeth and to be prepared for a lasting Rebellion. Cause it couldn&#039;t be just a few days.

A side note...I do watch Nascar. Was not meant to take offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and I second the jackass quote from Comrade Clinton. </p>
<p>I remember, after the OK city bombing when all thoughs sweeping laws were being passed.I had a sticker on my car that said &#8220;I love my country but fear my Government&#8221;. And I still hold to that belief. I had a few people question me about that sticker and calling me &#8220;Un-American&#8221;. It&#8217;s moronic that the sheep will celebrat the 4th of July, but not understand what happened to get to that celebration. </p>
<p>But to answer your question, &#8220;When is Armed Rebellion Appropriate?&#8221;..First and foremost, you would have to &#8220;win the hearts and minds&#8221; with atleast a quarter of the people. Secondly, the State would have to do something truly alarming to the beer drinking, nascar watching moron, so atleast we have the people waking up. And last but not least, be armed to the teeth and to be prepared for a lasting Rebellion. Cause it couldn&#8217;t be just a few days.</p>
<p>A side note&#8230;I do watch Nascar. Was not meant to take offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  And what a jackass quote from Bill Clinton.</description>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarran,

Tremendous piece of writing.  Well done!</description>
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<p>Tremendous piece of writing.  Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: David Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes, I do agree, this is a valuable post!</description>
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		<title>By: David Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You state that there is no legitimate government. I happen to agree; in fact I made this point in my philosophy of law class the other night when I asked why it was justifiable in the first place for a third party to carry out retribution on behalf of another (one of the basic functions of even a minimal state). My inquiry went unanswered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You state that there is no legitimate government. I happen to agree; in fact I made this point in my philosophy of law class the other night when I asked why it was justifiable in the first place for a third party to carry out retribution on behalf of another (one of the basic functions of even a minimal state). My inquiry went unanswered.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, and I think the Sun-Tzu and John Adams quotes you included have incredible force.

If the revolution is won before it is fought, it may never be &quot;fought&quot; at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, and I think the Sun-Tzu and John Adams quotes you included have incredible force.</p>
<p>If the revolution is won before it is fought, it may never be &#8220;fought&#8221; at all.</p>
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