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	<title>Comments on: Tuesday Open Thread: Why Ron Paul Failed, And Where The &#8220;r3volution&#8221; Goes From Here</title>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Joe)has it dead on. Our generation is not only ready for a revolution. We need it thanks to the whack job in office getting this country into an insermountable debt. Obama Clinton &amp; McCain have no plans on doing anyhting about it. Obama is too buisy trying to prove a racial point by running for Office while his voting record isn&#039;t strong enouh to hold up any one point he supposedly stands for since hes voted every which way on any and everything. Clinton is a communist. And McCain is a war hungry tyrant who isn&#039;t even a natural born citizen. The &#039;candidates&#039; are jokes. A &#039;republican&#039; like McCain forces the undecided voters to support Obama since they don&#039;t want another 4 years of Bush. And this is only because the democratic run mass media wont give Ron Paul his well deserved air time to get his message out there. There is not one person i know who is not voting for him once they actually hear about what he stnads for. It&#039;s a shame that if you&#039;re not unimaginably rich with enough money to buy friends and air time you wont get elected. Do you really think that any of these candidates care about you? Care about the common American trying to provide food fir their families and a suitable place to live with a floundering economy? NO! They all have more money the God and want you to believe they are going to represent you and your opinions. Ron Paul is a true revolutionary out there trying to help America. Yet since most people are too lazy and too wrapt up in what the media wants you to belive they won&#039;t even take the five mintues to read about him and understand what he wants to do. You people are all sheep. WAKE UP and realize that America is in trouble and NONE of these candidates EXCEPT Ron Paul are going to do anything about it. He stands firm and knows more then all three of the others do combined about the economy. He DOESNT want a national id card or another way to impose on your daily lives (Like Hillary &amp; Obama) He wants to end the war on drugs that has FAILEd miserably. He wants to BRING OUT TROOPS HOME not just from Iraq about the other 131 countries we have needlessly invested ourselves in. He wants to close our boarders and work on America from the inside out. (Unlike McCain who has a vested interest in Panama.. for those of you that don&#039;t know why you&#039;d better google it and educate yourselves) 

There is not other choice for President. Regardless on who you sheep choose Ron Paul is MY PRESIDENT. The Revolution has begun and it won&#039;t stop until America can be a country to be proud of again

RonPaul2008.com
DailyPaul.com
RonPaulforpresident2008.com

&quot;It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people&#039;s minds&quot;.
-Samuel Adams]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Joe)has it dead on. Our generation is not only ready for a revolution. We need it thanks to the whack job in office getting this country into an insermountable debt. Obama Clinton &amp; McCain have no plans on doing anyhting about it. Obama is too buisy trying to prove a racial point by running for Office while his voting record isn&#8217;t strong enouh to hold up any one point he supposedly stands for since hes voted every which way on any and everything. Clinton is a communist. And McCain is a war hungry tyrant who isn&#8217;t even a natural born citizen. The &#8216;candidates&#8217; are jokes. A &#8216;republican&#8217; like McCain forces the undecided voters to support Obama since they don&#8217;t want another 4 years of Bush. And this is only because the democratic run mass media wont give Ron Paul his well deserved air time to get his message out there. There is not one person i know who is not voting for him once they actually hear about what he stnads for. It&#8217;s a shame that if you&#8217;re not unimaginably rich with enough money to buy friends and air time you wont get elected. Do you really think that any of these candidates care about you? Care about the common American trying to provide food fir their families and a suitable place to live with a floundering economy? NO! They all have more money the God and want you to believe they are going to represent you and your opinions. Ron Paul is a true revolutionary out there trying to help America. Yet since most people are too lazy and too wrapt up in what the media wants you to belive they won&#8217;t even take the five mintues to read about him and understand what he wants to do. You people are all sheep. WAKE UP and realize that America is in trouble and NONE of these candidates EXCEPT Ron Paul are going to do anything about it. He stands firm and knows more then all three of the others do combined about the economy. He DOESNT want a national id card or another way to impose on your daily lives (Like Hillary &amp; Obama) He wants to end the war on drugs that has FAILEd miserably. He wants to BRING OUT TROOPS HOME not just from Iraq about the other 131 countries we have needlessly invested ourselves in. He wants to close our boarders and work on America from the inside out. (Unlike McCain who has a vested interest in Panama.. for those of you that don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;d better google it and educate yourselves) </p>
<p>There is not other choice for President. Regardless on who you sheep choose Ron Paul is MY PRESIDENT. The Revolution has begun and it won&#8217;t stop until America can be a country to be proud of again</p>
<p>RonPaul2008.com<br />
DailyPaul.com<br />
RonPaulforpresident2008.com</p>
<p>&#8220;It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people&#8217;s minds&#8221;.<br />
-Samuel Adams</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quiz for the afternoon:  How many delegate votes does John McCain have?  How many does Ron Paul have?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quiz for the afternoon:  How many delegate votes does John McCain have?  How many does Ron Paul have?</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;God I hate doing jumping jacks first thing in the morning, out in the front yard, first thing in the morning, with Commrad UCrawford&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I got used to it in the Army...so will you. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>God I hate doing jumping jacks first thing in the morning, out in the front yard, first thing in the morning, with Commrad UCrawford</p></blockquote>
<p>I got used to it in the Army&#8230;so will you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: badunit</title>
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		<dc:creator>badunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Canada is too close. Its gonna be part of this country. U know. The &quot;North American Union&quot; when they take away the rest of our rights and restructure the society based on china. Tag us all with ID chips. Then we won&#039;t need Ron Paul...we will all be members of the Peoples Party. God I hate doing jumping jacks first thing in the morning, out in the front yard, first thing in the morning, with Commrad UCrawford..one two three four]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Canada is too close. Its gonna be part of this country. U know. The &#8220;North American Union&#8221; when they take away the rest of our rights and restructure the society based on china. Tag us all with ID chips. Then we won&#8217;t need Ron Paul&#8230;we will all be members of the Peoples Party. God I hate doing jumping jacks first thing in the morning, out in the front yard, first thing in the morning, with Commrad UCrawford..one two three four</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[badunit,

&lt;blockquote&gt;technically O.J. didn’t do anything either&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, that should be &quot;technically the state didn&#039;t make the case that O.J. did anything, mainly because Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden were idiots&quot;.  There was plenty of evidence to reasonably establish guilt (DNA plus what you cited) in the hands of competent prosecutors.  No such evidence exists for &quot;the government did 9/11&quot; conspiracies.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What about free fall speed of the buildings, the fact that the jet fuel could not get hot enough, thermate particles all over the place, corroded car roofs(from the thermate), molted hot steel at the base of the buildings, buildings designed to take multiple plane hits, live people waving for help out of a building that is supposed to be so hot that the steel is melting, and that is just about the buildings… &lt;/blockquote&gt;

All discussed at length here:

http://www.debunking911.com/

All science and physics arguments relating to 9/11 on this site are exhaustively detailed and backed with peer-reviewed research (which is cited and often linked to).  All of the common &quot;truther&quot; arguments relating to the science of 9/11 have been thoroughly and effectively debunked.  The &quot;truthers&quot; usually just pretend that those scientific counter-arguments don&#039;t exist because doing so illustrates just how ignorant and wrong about the topic the &quot;truthers&quot; actually are.  The &quot;truthers&quot; have absolutely no scientific basis to support their case that 9/11 was an inside job.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I mean they recently dug up Jesse James to make sure he was really dead and not off in argentina at age 161 or something&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Irrelevant to 9/11.


&lt;blockquote&gt;the plane jokers had to have a little help or all three of those buildings would not have come down like they did.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That site I linked to demonstrated clearly that is not the case...the airliners by themselves were sufficient to bring down the Twin Towers with no other party&#039;s involvement.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a turd in the soup, I can’t see it,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can see it.  The turds in the punchbowl are Iraq and the PATRIOT Act (neither of which have anything to do with 9/11).  Bush&#039;s former Treasury Secretary Paul O&#039;Neill said that he was witness to Iraq invasion being seriously discussed in the early days of the Bush presidency because that&#039;s what Bush wanted from the start.  Intelligence and government officials have stated openly that the Bush administration was cherry-picking the intel to make any link between 9/11 and Iraq, despite the fact there were none.  9/11 just gave Bush his excuse and post-9/11 hysteria gave Bush his opening to invade Iraq and start a war.  That&#039;s the conspiracy...it happened, there is reasonable evidence that it happened, and it didn&#039;t require that 9/11 be an inside job.

&lt;blockquote&gt;First time, full collapse, and three on the same day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because prior to 9/11 nobody had ever succeeded in intentionally flying large passenger aircraft into skyscrapers with the intention of causing maximum damage and casualties.  The reason 9/11 was the first time skyscrapers collapsed under those circumstances was because it was the first time those circumstances ever happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>badunit,</p>
<blockquote><p>technically O.J. didn’t do anything either</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, that should be &#8220;technically the state didn&#8217;t make the case that O.J. did anything, mainly because Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden were idiots&#8221;.  There was plenty of evidence to reasonably establish guilt (DNA plus what you cited) in the hands of competent prosecutors.  No such evidence exists for &#8220;the government did 9/11&#8243; conspiracies.</p>
<blockquote><p>What about free fall speed of the buildings, the fact that the jet fuel could not get hot enough, thermate particles all over the place, corroded car roofs(from the thermate), molted hot steel at the base of the buildings, buildings designed to take multiple plane hits, live people waving for help out of a building that is supposed to be so hot that the steel is melting, and that is just about the buildings… </p></blockquote>
<p>All discussed at length here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.debunking911.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.debunking911.com/</a></p>
<p>All science and physics arguments relating to 9/11 on this site are exhaustively detailed and backed with peer-reviewed research (which is cited and often linked to).  All of the common &#8220;truther&#8221; arguments relating to the science of 9/11 have been thoroughly and effectively debunked.  The &#8220;truthers&#8221; usually just pretend that those scientific counter-arguments don&#8217;t exist because doing so illustrates just how ignorant and wrong about the topic the &#8220;truthers&#8221; actually are.  The &#8220;truthers&#8221; have absolutely no scientific basis to support their case that 9/11 was an inside job.</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean they recently dug up Jesse James to make sure he was really dead and not off in argentina at age 161 or something</p></blockquote>
<p>Irrelevant to 9/11.</p>
<blockquote><p>the plane jokers had to have a little help or all three of those buildings would not have come down like they did.</p></blockquote>
<p>That site I linked to demonstrated clearly that is not the case&#8230;the airliners by themselves were sufficient to bring down the Twin Towers with no other party&#8217;s involvement.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is a turd in the soup, I can’t see it,</p></blockquote>
<p>You can see it.  The turds in the punchbowl are Iraq and the PATRIOT Act (neither of which have anything to do with 9/11).  Bush&#8217;s former Treasury Secretary Paul O&#8217;Neill said that he was witness to Iraq invasion being seriously discussed in the early days of the Bush presidency because that&#8217;s what Bush wanted from the start.  Intelligence and government officials have stated openly that the Bush administration was cherry-picking the intel to make any link between 9/11 and Iraq, despite the fact there were none.  9/11 just gave Bush his excuse and post-9/11 hysteria gave Bush his opening to invade Iraq and start a war.  That&#8217;s the conspiracy&#8230;it happened, there is reasonable evidence that it happened, and it didn&#8217;t require that 9/11 be an inside job.</p>
<blockquote><p>First time, full collapse, and three on the same day.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s because prior to 9/11 nobody had ever succeeded in intentionally flying large passenger aircraft into skyscrapers with the intention of causing maximum damage and casualties.  The reason 9/11 was the first time skyscrapers collapsed under those circumstances was because it was the first time those circumstances ever happened.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeVA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how many are aware that the push for more investigation into the attacks on September 11th is becoming a worldwide phenomena.  Just recently members of the Japanese parliament called for an international investigation on live national television:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2680190129949942423]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many are aware that the push for more investigation into the attacks on September 11th is becoming a worldwide phenomena.  Just recently members of the Japanese parliament called for an international investigation on live national television:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2680190129949942423" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2680190129949942423</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sk00L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sk00L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple he failed for 3 major reasons. 

1. The powers that be (media, profiteers, war mongers, government contractors, CFR, the Rothschild&#039;s, the Rockefeller&#039;s, and the privately owned Federal Reserve) all stood to loose power and control over the life blood of the American people with a Paul presidency. With everyone of them in Ron Paul&#039;s way working to subvert liberty at every turn I am surprised he didn&#039;t get shut down quicker then Dennis Kucinich did.

2. His ideas required some inelegance, thought, and understanding and frankly most of America is not that smart, if it can&#039;t be summed up in a nifty 3 second blurb equivalent to a fastfood slogan then it is right over everyone&#039;s head. Not to mention Paul told America the truth and at times the truth hurts, most of America is only going to vote for the person that tells them a candy coated fairy tail that promises them whatever they desire. Soon as buy into the lies with no research the hipsters all start jumping on board and it becomes trendy or fashionable who has the best rhetoric and least substance.

3. Ron Paul didn&#039;t fight dirty! As a true statesman he led a principled campaign the way all our leaders should be expected to act. He was too patient and mannered when he should have called BS  on everyone from group &quot;1&quot; who were deliberately trying subvert and detract from his movement. It was obvious to anyone paying any sort of attention that the campaign of spin, lies, marginalization, and overall unfair misconduct directed towards him hurt the extremely lacking coverage the media was forced to give him. In the end I feel like he should have went further to take steps to expose the machine that has hijacked the entire election process not just the powers that are grasping and controlling this once great nation. However I greatly admire him for not stooping to fight dirty and remaining a statesman of the highest order it is too bad that so few see that as taking the higher road and being a better person for it. It is even worse that so few got to hear his message completely let alone get the full picture to understand it.

In the end America always elects the president it deserves! As for me I am currently seeking employment overseas where freedom remains and is not equated to how many product choices I have to choose from at the store. The revolution has started and will take some time but for now I am not going under on this sinking ship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple he failed for 3 major reasons. </p>
<p>1. The powers that be (media, profiteers, war mongers, government contractors, CFR, the Rothschild&#8217;s, the Rockefeller&#8217;s, and the privately owned Federal Reserve) all stood to loose power and control over the life blood of the American people with a Paul presidency. With everyone of them in Ron Paul&#8217;s way working to subvert liberty at every turn I am surprised he didn&#8217;t get shut down quicker then Dennis Kucinich did.</p>
<p>2. His ideas required some inelegance, thought, and understanding and frankly most of America is not that smart, if it can&#8217;t be summed up in a nifty 3 second blurb equivalent to a fastfood slogan then it is right over everyone&#8217;s head. Not to mention Paul told America the truth and at times the truth hurts, most of America is only going to vote for the person that tells them a candy coated fairy tail that promises them whatever they desire. Soon as buy into the lies with no research the hipsters all start jumping on board and it becomes trendy or fashionable who has the best rhetoric and least substance.</p>
<p>3. Ron Paul didn&#8217;t fight dirty! As a true statesman he led a principled campaign the way all our leaders should be expected to act. He was too patient and mannered when he should have called BS  on everyone from group &#8220;1&#8243; who were deliberately trying subvert and detract from his movement. It was obvious to anyone paying any sort of attention that the campaign of spin, lies, marginalization, and overall unfair misconduct directed towards him hurt the extremely lacking coverage the media was forced to give him. In the end I feel like he should have went further to take steps to expose the machine that has hijacked the entire election process not just the powers that are grasping and controlling this once great nation. However I greatly admire him for not stooping to fight dirty and remaining a statesman of the highest order it is too bad that so few see that as taking the higher road and being a better person for it. It is even worse that so few got to hear his message completely let alone get the full picture to understand it.</p>
<p>In the end America always elects the president it deserves! As for me I am currently seeking employment overseas where freedom remains and is not equated to how many product choices I have to choose from at the store. The revolution has started and will take some time but for now I am not going under on this sinking ship.</p>
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		<title>By: badunit</title>
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		<dc:creator>badunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UCrawford,
Hmmm...technically O.J. didn&#039;t do anything either...size 12 foot print, blood in the car, glove that didn&#039;t fit,just happened to be there...lot of good lawyers...
 What about free fall speed of the buildings, the fact that the jet fuel could not get hot enough, thermate particles all over the place, corroded car roofs(from the thermate), molted hot steel at the base of the buildings, buildings designed to take multiple plane hits, live people waving for help out of a building that is supposed to be so hot that the steel is melting, and that is just about the buildings... I mean they recently dug up Jesse James to make sure he was really dead and not off in argentina at age 161 or something...the plane jokers had to have a little help or all three of those buildings would not have come down like they did. Maybe that is not evidence. There is a turd in the soup, I can&#039;t see it, but architecture has never smelled so funny since they have been building steel structures. First time, full collapse, and three on the same day. 
  I do agree with you about the bullsh#t war with the wrong country, but maybe that&#039;s just another reason to think something is not right with the &quot;official&quot; theory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UCrawford,<br />
Hmmm&#8230;technically O.J. didn&#8217;t do anything either&#8230;size 12 foot print, blood in the car, glove that didn&#8217;t fit,just happened to be there&#8230;lot of good lawyers&#8230;<br />
 What about free fall speed of the buildings, the fact that the jet fuel could not get hot enough, thermate particles all over the place, corroded car roofs(from the thermate), molted hot steel at the base of the buildings, buildings designed to take multiple plane hits, live people waving for help out of a building that is supposed to be so hot that the steel is melting, and that is just about the buildings&#8230; I mean they recently dug up Jesse James to make sure he was really dead and not off in argentina at age 161 or something&#8230;the plane jokers had to have a little help or all three of those buildings would not have come down like they did. Maybe that is not evidence. There is a turd in the soup, I can&#8217;t see it, but architecture has never smelled so funny since they have been building steel structures. First time, full collapse, and three on the same day.<br />
  I do agree with you about the bullsh#t war with the wrong country, but maybe that&#8217;s just another reason to think something is not right with the &#8220;official&#8221; theory.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[badunit,

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for Ron Paul I’m gonna write him in then move to France… too many ucrawfords over here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t you mean Canada?

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/

Doesn&#039;t matter though, won&#039;t make me all that sad either way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>badunit,</p>
<blockquote><p>As for Ron Paul I’m gonna write him in then move to France… too many ucrawfords over here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean Canada?</p>
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<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter though, won&#8217;t make me all that sad either way.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[badunit,

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the truthers are wrong then the bad guys are in some other country and we are taking care of business over there… so there is no problem&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The &quot;truthers&quot; are wrong.  And not to be contrarian but there is a problem with the current strategy in that the people responsible for 9/11 are not, and never were, in Iraq.  They&#039;re in Pakistan.  Had we gone after bin Laden and al-Zawahiri (who are the only two legitimate targets left related to 9/11) I&#039;d be happy with that approach.  That&#039;s not what Bush did, though...he used the tragedy of 9/11 to scratch a personal itch by invading Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11) and erode our Constitutional freedoms at home with legislation that would have had little to no effect in preventing 9/11.  That&#039;s the real conspiracy, and there&#039;s plenty of actual evidence and testimony by officials who were in positions of authority in our government at the time to back that up.

&lt;blockquote&gt;but if you are wrong then murderers are running around free in your backyard.   One of you are wrong. Are you that confident that it is not you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I am completely confident that they&#039;re wrong for one solid reason.  The &quot;truthers&quot; have never provided one iota of concrete evidence to prove that anyone in government planned and executed 9/11.  No confessions or testimony from any of the planners and no scientific evidence that hasn&#039;t been thoroughly debunked by reputable sources.  Most of the information they try to pass as &quot;evidence&quot; is either speculation by people who weren&#039;t involved, misinterpretation by people with questionable credentials and expertise, or flat-out lies.  Until they do submit actual credible evidence, I&#039;m perfectly content to dismiss all of their claims as complete b.s.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not spend a few Hundred million and have 40 seperate investigations just in case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because we&#039;ve already spent millions in investigating 9/11, it&#039;s a complete waste of time and money and, frankly, none of the &quot;truthers&quot; are going to be happy with any impartial authority&#039;s verdict unless it confirms their pre-held opinion of the government&#039;s complicity.  There are better things to spend, or not spend, our tax money on than a kangaroo court to make a bunch of people who can&#039;t accept reality happy. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;We have just spent TRILLIONS to fight bad guys.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And every dollar spent on the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and every life lost as a result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq was an unjustifiable waste.  We had no moral authority to invade any country but Afghanistan.  That&#039;s what Bush should be held accountable for, because that&#039;s a conspiracy that can be proved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>badunit,</p>
<blockquote><p>If the truthers are wrong then the bad guys are in some other country and we are taking care of business over there… so there is no problem</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;truthers&#8221; are wrong.  And not to be contrarian but there is a problem with the current strategy in that the people responsible for 9/11 are not, and never were, in Iraq.  They&#8217;re in Pakistan.  Had we gone after bin Laden and al-Zawahiri (who are the only two legitimate targets left related to 9/11) I&#8217;d be happy with that approach.  That&#8217;s not what Bush did, though&#8230;he used the tragedy of 9/11 to scratch a personal itch by invading Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11) and erode our Constitutional freedoms at home with legislation that would have had little to no effect in preventing 9/11.  That&#8217;s the real conspiracy, and there&#8217;s plenty of actual evidence and testimony by officials who were in positions of authority in our government at the time to back that up.</p>
<blockquote><p>but if you are wrong then murderers are running around free in your backyard.   One of you are wrong. Are you that confident that it is not you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I am completely confident that they&#8217;re wrong for one solid reason.  The &#8220;truthers&#8221; have never provided one iota of concrete evidence to prove that anyone in government planned and executed 9/11.  No confessions or testimony from any of the planners and no scientific evidence that hasn&#8217;t been thoroughly debunked by reputable sources.  Most of the information they try to pass as &#8220;evidence&#8221; is either speculation by people who weren&#8217;t involved, misinterpretation by people with questionable credentials and expertise, or flat-out lies.  Until they do submit actual credible evidence, I&#8217;m perfectly content to dismiss all of their claims as complete b.s.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why not spend a few Hundred million and have 40 seperate investigations just in case.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because we&#8217;ve already spent millions in investigating 9/11, it&#8217;s a complete waste of time and money and, frankly, none of the &#8220;truthers&#8221; are going to be happy with any impartial authority&#8217;s verdict unless it confirms their pre-held opinion of the government&#8217;s complicity.  There are better things to spend, or not spend, our tax money on than a kangaroo court to make a bunch of people who can&#8217;t accept reality happy. </p>
<blockquote><p>We have just spent TRILLIONS to fight bad guys.</p></blockquote>
<p>And every dollar spent on the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and every life lost as a result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq was an unjustifiable waste.  We had no moral authority to invade any country but Afghanistan.  That&#8217;s what Bush should be held accountable for, because that&#8217;s a conspiracy that can be proved.</p>
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		<title>By: Stone Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stone Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And OH YEA- Obama is the AntiChrist..

...so good luck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And OH YEA- Obama is the AntiChrist..</p>
<p>&#8230;so good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Stone Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stone Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And OH YEA- Obama is the Anti-Christ..

...so good luck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And OH YEA- Obama is the Anti-Christ..</p>
<p>&#8230;so good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Stone Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stone Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Revolution is in Rock N Roll!

Get your head out of your ass, drink some beer, and enjoy the little bit of time you have left on the planet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Revolution is in Rock N Roll!</p>
<p>Get your head out of your ass, drink some beer, and enjoy the little bit of time you have left on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: badunit</title>
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		<dc:creator>badunit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UCrawford, maybe you ought to consider this. If the truthers are wrong then the bad guys are in some other country and we are taking care of business over there... so there is no problem...but if you are wrong then murderers are running around free in your backyard. One of you are wrong. Are you that confident that it is not you? We have just spent TRILLIONS to fight bad guys. Why not spend a few Hundred million and have 40 seperate investigations just in case. Or are you afraid someone is gonna hand you the flashlight and send YOU out there all by yourself... someone is saying they heard a noise...are you just a chicken or a fool.

PS. Don&#039;t try to tell me we can&#039;t budget the money for foolishness, This is America! 
 Don&#039;t worry everybody the UCrawford&#039;s of the world saw that crap on TV with thier own eyes and are absolutly sure we&#039;re all gonna be OK.
 As for Ron Paul I&#039;m gonna write him in then move to France... too many ucrawfords over here. And by the way I don&#039;t think you are chicken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UCrawford, maybe you ought to consider this. If the truthers are wrong then the bad guys are in some other country and we are taking care of business over there&#8230; so there is no problem&#8230;but if you are wrong then murderers are running around free in your backyard. One of you are wrong. Are you that confident that it is not you? We have just spent TRILLIONS to fight bad guys. Why not spend a few Hundred million and have 40 seperate investigations just in case. Or are you afraid someone is gonna hand you the flashlight and send YOU out there all by yourself&#8230; someone is saying they heard a noise&#8230;are you just a chicken or a fool.</p>
<p>PS. Don&#8217;t try to tell me we can&#8217;t budget the money for foolishness, This is America!<br />
 Don&#8217;t worry everybody the UCrawford&#8217;s of the world saw that crap on TV with thier own eyes and are absolutly sure we&#8217;re all gonna be OK.<br />
 As for Ron Paul I&#8217;m gonna write him in then move to France&#8230; too many ucrawfords over here. And by the way I don&#8217;t think you are chicken.</p>
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		<title>By: oilnwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>oilnwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;oilnwater,

If you’re not going to bother reading what we write here, don’t bother commenting ok ?&quot;


whatever, shitheel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;oilnwater,</p>
<p>If you’re not going to bother reading what we write here, don’t bother commenting ok ?&#8221;</p>
<p>whatever, shitheel.</p>
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