Comments on: The National DNA Database http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-54033 oilnwater Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:11:21 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-54033 given that the NIR is now a technical fossil in England after the privacy bills failed. something like the NIR concept will guaranteed be resurrected. given that the NIR is now a technical fossil in England after the privacy bills failed. something like the NIR concept will guaranteed be resurrected.

]]> By: oilnwater http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-54032 oilnwater Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:10:03 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-54032 a biometric database will indeed be the model for population data in the now-future. be in 1:ALL biometric interfacing for the purposes of physical entry, or access to any information query. i hate to sound like some yadda yadda crank about this. but i have been intimately familiar with various industry-oriented open-source consortiums involving biometrics. not only have industry products been offered to service the NIR in England, but the industry is planning on introduction in the United States, the primary vehicle being government. a biometric database will indeed be the model for population data in the now-future. be in 1:ALL biometric interfacing for the purposes of physical entry, or access to any information query.

i hate to sound like some yadda yadda crank about this. but i have been intimately familiar with various industry-oriented open-source consortiums involving biometrics. not only have industry products been offered to service the NIR in England, but the industry is planning on introduction in the United States, the primary vehicle being government.

]]> By: Robbie http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-53897 Robbie Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:11:26 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-53897 I oppose DNA databases on the practical grounds that they would enable a tyrannical state to oppress citizens that much easier. But I don't agree that people have a right to privacy. The DNA database is just a bunch of numbers in a computer. Provided the owner of the computer obtains the numbers legitimately (ie without coercion), they haven't done anything wrong in my books. The same applies to Google, Facebook etc holding onto users data. But the fact is the government probably will take your DNA coercively (forcibly taking a swab or blood or whatever). Here they do violate peoples' rights as if you haven't been convicted this is essentially assault. But again, I oppose the government keeping any biometric data because it would make it terribly easy to track down dissidents. But there are reasons why a private company might want to collect DNA and, provided they do it non-coercively, I don't think (so called) civil libertarians would be justified in demanding they erase data at someone's request based on the (non-existent) "right to privacy". I oppose DNA databases on the practical grounds that they would enable a tyrannical state to oppress citizens that much easier. But I don’t agree that people have a right to privacy. The DNA database is just a bunch of numbers in a computer. Provided the owner of the computer obtains the numbers legitimately (ie without coercion), they haven’t done anything wrong in my books. The same applies to Google, Facebook etc holding onto users data.

But the fact is the government probably will take your DNA coercively (forcibly taking a swab or blood or whatever). Here they do violate peoples’ rights as if you haven’t been convicted this is essentially assault.

But again, I oppose the government keeping any biometric data because it would make it terribly easy to track down dissidents. But there are reasons why a private company might want to collect DNA and, provided they do it non-coercively, I don’t think (so called) civil libertarians would be justified in demanding they erase data at someone’s request based on the (non-existent) “right to privacy”.

]]> By: Ben http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-53890 Ben Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:20:48 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-53890 Two things that repeatedly suprise me but shouldn't: 1) A government's ability to be incredibly incompetent at all levels in all things. 2) The public not caring about number 1. Two things that repeatedly suprise me but shouldn’t:

1) A government’s ability to be incredibly incompetent at all levels in all things.

2) The public not caring about number 1.

]]> By: Quincy http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-53888 Quincy Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:27:34 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/12/the-national-dna-database/#comment-53888 Government always operates on the principle of "Once you have their money/data/DNA/whatever, never give it back." This shouldn't be a surprise. Government always operates on the principle of “Once you have their money/data/DNA/whatever, never give it back.”

This shouldn’t be a surprise.

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