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	<title>Comments on: Google &#8220;Doing Their Part&#8221; For Earth Hour</title>
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		<title>By: ShyOne</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-55103</link>
		<dc:creator>ShyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Self-congratulation? Is that because I made a valid point on a bulletin board? Oh, no! What was I thinking?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-congratulation? Is that because I made a valid point on a bulletin board? Oh, no! What was I thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Snitch</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-55044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Snitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s encouraging to see that some people recognize this sort of self-congratulation for what it really is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s encouraging to see that some people recognize this sort of self-congratulation for what it really is.</p>
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		<title>By: ShyOne</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-55002</link>
		<dc:creator>ShyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting that there aren&#039;t any more sarcastic accusatory comments on here about Google. I trust I made my point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that there aren&#8217;t any more sarcastic accusatory comments on here about Google. I trust I made my point?</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54817</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tarran,
I said what I said, since you presume to think I don&#039;t know what entropy is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarran,<br />
I said what I said, since you presume to think I don&#8217;t know what entropy is.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54816</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tarran,
 I see you don&#039;t understand analogies or allusions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarran,<br />
 I see you don&#8217;t understand analogies or allusions.</p>
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		<title>By: ShyOne</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54790</link>
		<dc:creator>ShyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not Google&#039;s policy to advertise what they do for the environment, however, here is the link to a taste of the projects Google is involved in at this time. 
Going back to my original point, what they did was to raise awareness. Which is exactly what they did.
It seems a bit short-sighted to comment on something that you don&#039;t know as fact. 
http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/green/energy/index.html
http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/green/energy/reducing.html
&quot;Advancing Green Technology
In addition to reducing Google’s carbon footprint, we’re also working to accelerate improvements in green technology. In May 2007, with an eye toward bringing solar power into the mainstream, we switched on 9,212 solar panels at our Mountain View headquarters – one of the largest corporate installations in the United States. Then, to encourage the commercialization and adoption of plug-in vehicles (and reduce CO2 emissions, cut oil use, and stabilize the electric grid) Google.org launched the RechargeIT initiative in June 2007. During the same month, we also announced the formation of the Climate Savers Computing Initiative (CSCI), an industry consortium working to make the design and use of computers more energy-efficient.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not Google&#8217;s policy to advertise what they do for the environment, however, here is the link to a taste of the projects Google is involved in at this time.<br />
Going back to my original point, what they did was to raise awareness. Which is exactly what they did.<br />
It seems a bit short-sighted to comment on something that you don&#8217;t know as fact.<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/green/energy/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/green/energy/index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/green/energy/reducing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/green/energy/reducing.html</a><br />
&#8220;Advancing Green Technology<br />
In addition to reducing Google’s carbon footprint, we’re also working to accelerate improvements in green technology. In May 2007, with an eye toward bringing solar power into the mainstream, we switched on 9,212 solar panels at our Mountain View headquarters – one of the largest corporate installations in the United States. Then, to encourage the commercialization and adoption of plug-in vehicles (and reduce CO2 emissions, cut oil use, and stabilize the electric grid) Google.org launched the RechargeIT initiative in June 2007. During the same month, we also announced the formation of the Climate Savers Computing Initiative (CSCI), an industry consortium working to make the design and use of computers more energy-efficient.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54753</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VRB

Please don&#039;t bring up entropy again... The Earth is an open thermodynamic system, and the laws about entropy always increasing apply only to closed systems.  Leave the misapplication of thermodynamics to the fundies who can&#039;t stomach the notion of evolution. 

Now to the main point, as petroleum reserves do start running out (and given the fact that proven petroleum reserves have been increasing this could be a century away), the rise in prices will make other forms of energy economical and provide a great deal of incentive to identify alternate sources of energy.  And yes, as prices go up, people will start to conserve energy in earnest.  That&#039;s what prices do, they signal the relative scarcity of something.

Thus, these demands that people be forced to restrict consumption are not effective.  They do not encourage innovation.  They merely make the energy industry more rigid and less innovative while time-shifting problems slightly into the future.  

All the government subsidies encouraging uneconomical energy production and consumption, such as ethanol or the construction of hybrid vehicles etc, are counterproductive.  We who oppose them are not luddites.  rather, we understand economics.  We recognize that these publicity stunts, especially ones that seem to equate energy consumption with sinfulness, are the modern equivalent of Pat Robertson blaming Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans&#039; debauchery - the superstitious bleatings of yet another doomsday cult.

The governemtn&#039;s plans to encourage alternate energy development will turn out to be like the U.S. ogvernemnt&#039;s efforts to encourage wider interstate commerce in the early 19th century.  Back then, the federal govt invested heavily in a network of canals that took decades to build and siphones massive quantitites of tax-dollars out of the treasury.  In the end the canal network was never really used.  Why?  Because by the time they were finished, railroads had been invented, and the canal had been made obsolete.  just think how much better off we all would hav ebeen had that money not been thrown away on such a futile venture, if the workers had actually worked on projects that were useful instead of wasting their labour on producing something that is so useless that people barely know they exist?

Much of the tax money that will be spent on these efforts will go to waste.  You may think that is progress.  I don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VRB</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t bring up entropy again&#8230; The Earth is an open thermodynamic system, and the laws about entropy always increasing apply only to closed systems.  Leave the misapplication of thermodynamics to the fundies who can&#8217;t stomach the notion of evolution. </p>
<p>Now to the main point, as petroleum reserves do start running out (and given the fact that proven petroleum reserves have been increasing this could be a century away), the rise in prices will make other forms of energy economical and provide a great deal of incentive to identify alternate sources of energy.  And yes, as prices go up, people will start to conserve energy in earnest.  That&#8217;s what prices do, they signal the relative scarcity of something.</p>
<p>Thus, these demands that people be forced to restrict consumption are not effective.  They do not encourage innovation.  They merely make the energy industry more rigid and less innovative while time-shifting problems slightly into the future.  </p>
<p>All the government subsidies encouraging uneconomical energy production and consumption, such as ethanol or the construction of hybrid vehicles etc, are counterproductive.  We who oppose them are not luddites.  rather, we understand economics.  We recognize that these publicity stunts, especially ones that seem to equate energy consumption with sinfulness, are the modern equivalent of Pat Robertson blaming Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans&#8217; debauchery &#8211; the superstitious bleatings of yet another doomsday cult.</p>
<p>The governemtn&#8217;s plans to encourage alternate energy development will turn out to be like the U.S. ogvernemnt&#8217;s efforts to encourage wider interstate commerce in the early 19th century.  Back then, the federal govt invested heavily in a network of canals that took decades to build and siphones massive quantitites of tax-dollars out of the treasury.  In the end the canal network was never really used.  Why?  Because by the time they were finished, railroads had been invented, and the canal had been made obsolete.  just think how much better off we all would hav ebeen had that money not been thrown away on such a futile venture, if the workers had actually worked on projects that were useful instead of wasting their labour on producing something that is so useless that people barely know they exist?</p>
<p>Much of the tax money that will be spent on these efforts will go to waste.  You may think that is progress.  I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: VRB</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54749</link>
		<dc:creator>VRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a more serious note. To you scientific geeks, do you remember entropy or finite. It may not come to the end of the world in your life time, but I don&#039;t see how anyone turning out their own lights would put a burden on you. It doesn&#039;t have to be doomsday, but there will become a time when there will be no fossil fuel, (check out the word fossil), finite. To encourage creative invention now, would give man a better chance for the future. We never know how much time it takes for any technology to be discovered. The science of the twentieth century is still sustaining us. How long will that last? Entropy?

Luddites are you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a more serious note. To you scientific geeks, do you remember entropy or finite. It may not come to the end of the world in your life time, but I don&#8217;t see how anyone turning out their own lights would put a burden on you. It doesn&#8217;t have to be doomsday, but there will become a time when there will be no fossil fuel, (check out the word fossil), finite. To encourage creative invention now, would give man a better chance for the future. We never know how much time it takes for any technology to be discovered. The science of the twentieth century is still sustaining us. How long will that last? Entropy?</p>
<p>Luddites are you!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54747</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tammy,

I&#039;m actually quite proud of myself. 

It was quite an enjoyable Saturday evening, with a nice bottle of wine and family. 

And, since all the lights were on, I could actually see what the crap I was doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tammy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually quite proud of myself. </p>
<p>It was quite an enjoyable Saturday evening, with a nice bottle of wine and family. </p>
<p>And, since all the lights were on, I could actually see what the crap I was doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitroadict</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54742</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitroadict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The massive naivety of the assorted environmentalists, greens, leftists, etc. only further reminds me why feminism failed.  Sadly, none of them are going to use their &quot;open-minds&quot; to admit their arrogance anytime soon.  


But hey, at least they&#039;re turning off light bulbs.  If nothing else, I&#039;m sure the roaches in their lower-middle class apartments nearby the liberal arts theater appreciate it though.  We should, after all, think of the insects, and not just the children, earth, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The massive naivety of the assorted environmentalists, greens, leftists, etc. only further reminds me why feminism failed.  Sadly, none of them are going to use their &#8220;open-minds&#8221; to admit their arrogance anytime soon.  </p>
<p>But hey, at least they&#8217;re turning off light bulbs.  If nothing else, I&#8217;m sure the roaches in their lower-middle class apartments nearby the liberal arts theater appreciate it though.  We should, after all, think of the insects, and not just the children, earth, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54741</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someguy,

The reason why the price of energy keeps climbing is  due to a combination of
a) increased demand due to growing population/increased wealth creation throughout the world
b) increased political instability due mainly to the U.S. government&#039;s war/interventions in energy markets
c) the plummeting value of world currencies due to inflationary central bank policies, especially on the part of the U.S. Federal Reserve.

Most energy consumption is non-discretionary.  Organizations such as steel-mills, refineries, hospitals cannot moderate how much power they consume.  In the end &lt;em&gt;discretionary&lt;/em&gt; energy consumption, such as turning off a few lights in  houses as part of this publicity stunt will probably not even make a noticeable reduction at power generation facilities.

with that being said, I doubt google really turned off the lights like they claimed on their web-page.  Furthermore this idea that energy consumption is ruining the earth that the proponents of this publicity stunt are pushing reminds me more and more of some millenial cult predicting the end of the world unless people return to some older, purer way.  That of course, pisses me off.  It&#039;s been several generations since a woman died in childbirth in my family, and I would like to keep it that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someguy,</p>
<p>The reason why the price of energy keeps climbing is  due to a combination of<br />
a) increased demand due to growing population/increased wealth creation throughout the world<br />
b) increased political instability due mainly to the U.S. government&#8217;s war/interventions in energy markets<br />
c) the plummeting value of world currencies due to inflationary central bank policies, especially on the part of the U.S. Federal Reserve.</p>
<p>Most energy consumption is non-discretionary.  Organizations such as steel-mills, refineries, hospitals cannot moderate how much power they consume.  In the end <em>discretionary</em> energy consumption, such as turning off a few lights in  houses as part of this publicity stunt will probably not even make a noticeable reduction at power generation facilities.</p>
<p>with that being said, I doubt google really turned off the lights like they claimed on their web-page.  Furthermore this idea that energy consumption is ruining the earth that the proponents of this publicity stunt are pushing reminds me more and more of some millenial cult predicting the end of the world unless people return to some older, purer way.  That of course, pisses me off.  It&#8217;s been several generations since a woman died in childbirth in my family, and I would like to keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian T. Traylor</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54740</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian T. Traylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I won’t say what Google does for our environment, because I don’t need to…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, this was the whole point of the post and the ensuing comments, so it would be helpful. Would you care to elaborate on what an eco-friendly company Google is?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I won’t say what Google does for our environment, because I don’t need to…</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, this was the whole point of the post and the ensuing comments, so it would be helpful. Would you care to elaborate on what an eco-friendly company Google is?</p>
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		<title>By: ShyOne</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54739</link>
		<dc:creator>ShyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you tell me exactly how you know that Google didn&#039;t do anything for conservation? Do you work there? My husband works there, and Google happens to be one of the most Earth-friendly companies I have heard of. They even surpass the Starbuck&#039;s Support Center in Seattle. I won&#039;t say what Google does for our environment, because I don&#039;t need to...the whole point was to raise the awareness of the masses...to demonstrate to everyone how simple a change can be, and how, on a global scale, it can make a difference.
Spend your money however you like, that is your choice. Just realize that the rest of us will stay our course, as that is our freedom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you tell me exactly how you know that Google didn&#8217;t do anything for conservation? Do you work there? My husband works there, and Google happens to be one of the most Earth-friendly companies I have heard of. They even surpass the Starbuck&#8217;s Support Center in Seattle. I won&#8217;t say what Google does for our environment, because I don&#8217;t need to&#8230;the whole point was to raise the awareness of the masses&#8230;to demonstrate to everyone how simple a change can be, and how, on a global scale, it can make a difference.<br />
Spend your money however you like, that is your choice. Just realize that the rest of us will stay our course, as that is our freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: someguy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54737</link>
		<dc:creator>someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats quite funny, because despite our efforts to reduce energy consumption, the price still seems to climb!  I wonder why?  Once again... someone speaks from their ass and not thinks with their head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats quite funny, because despite our efforts to reduce energy consumption, the price still seems to climb!  I wonder why?  Once again&#8230; someone speaks from their ass and not thinks with their head.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/03/29/google-doing-their-part-for-earth-hour/#comment-54735</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha!

If there is one thing that religious fundamentalists can&#039;t stand is having their balloons popped.

Seriously though, you fans of energy conservation are great.  Thanks for making the power I consume cheaper by reducing your demand. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!</p>
<p>If there is one thing that religious fundamentalists can&#8217;t stand is having their balloons popped.</p>
<p>Seriously though, you fans of energy conservation are great.  Thanks for making the power I consume cheaper by reducing your demand. ;)</p>
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