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	<title>Comments on: Should Libertarians be Concerned About “Small” Abuses by the Government?</title>
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		<title>By: The Crossed Pond &#187; Does Pork Matter?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Crossed Pond &#187; Does Pork Matter?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] like to direct some attention to this post by Stephen Littua at The Liberty Papers regarding the relative importance of pork barrel spending. The post was spurred by the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like to direct some attention to this post by Stephen Littua at The Liberty Papers regarding the relative importance of pork barrel spending. The post was spurred by the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TAO</title>
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		<dc:creator>TAO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Big government did not happen overnight, nor will any progress toward smaller government.&quot;

This is precisely what a whole lot of Ron Paul supporters still don&#039;t seem to realize, and hence, the lack of appeal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Big government did not happen overnight, nor will any progress toward smaller government.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is precisely what a whole lot of Ron Paul supporters still don&#8217;t seem to realize, and hence, the lack of appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: WRR</title>
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		<dc:creator>WRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, Barr is a conservative who supports the war on drugs. He has only moved slightly on the issue medicinal marijuana not on legalizing drugs. He is also a social conservative on abortion, gay rights, and prayer in state schools. Barr is NO libertarian and if the LP goes for Barr then I am forever finished with the party. It will have become one of the forces rotting libertarianism from within.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Barr is a conservative who supports the war on drugs. He has only moved slightly on the issue medicinal marijuana not on legalizing drugs. He is also a social conservative on abortion, gay rights, and prayer in state schools. Barr is NO libertarian and if the LP goes for Barr then I am forever finished with the party. It will have become one of the forces rotting libertarianism from within.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t mean to imply that a battle should be avoided specifically because it was small. As I alluded to with this statement, 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, all problems must be attacked incrementally, but we need to focus on the right increments. If we’re to be successful in the long run, we need to teach people why government intervention, in and of itself, is bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; small battles that need to be fought. 

How do I tell the difference? I&#039;ve been trying to put my finger on that for awhile and I still don&#039;t quite have it, so bear with me while I ramble a bit. Hopefully someone can summarize it succinctly for me. 

It comes down to the difference between a systemic abuses and human error/vice. Unless you&#039;re some flavor of an anarchist, you&#039;ll have to admit that there will always be some sort of government structure. You&#039;ll have to further admit that the government(s) will have to be staffed with humans, a significant number of whom will inevitably be immoral and/or incompetent. 

Thus, even the most ideal libertarian universe will have waste and abuses. We must always work to limit them, but we have to recognize that that is a separate battle. Even if you magically eliminated the portion of waste and abuse that comes from individual humans, you will still have rampant waste and abuse that comes from a system based on a flawed ideology. 

That&#039;s why I focus on the waste and abuses that stem from ideology. I accumulate small and large abuses (many of which I learn about here) and use them to create a narrative that will educate my mainstream peers about why our ideology is better than the status quo. 

There cannot be any meaningful gains until they begin to accept our ideology and focusing on waste that stems from basic human nature does not help to accomplish that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that a battle should be avoided specifically because it was small. As I alluded to with this statement, </p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, all problems must be attacked incrementally, but we need to focus on the right increments. If we’re to be successful in the long run, we need to teach people why government intervention, in and of itself, is bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>there <em>are</em> small battles that need to be fought. </p>
<p>How do I tell the difference? I&#8217;ve been trying to put my finger on that for awhile and I still don&#8217;t quite have it, so bear with me while I ramble a bit. Hopefully someone can summarize it succinctly for me. </p>
<p>It comes down to the difference between a systemic abuses and human error/vice. Unless you&#8217;re some flavor of an anarchist, you&#8217;ll have to admit that there will always be some sort of government structure. You&#8217;ll have to further admit that the government(s) will have to be staffed with humans, a significant number of whom will inevitably be immoral and/or incompetent. </p>
<p>Thus, even the most ideal libertarian universe will have waste and abuses. We must always work to limit them, but we have to recognize that that is a separate battle. Even if you magically eliminated the portion of waste and abuse that comes from individual humans, you will still have rampant waste and abuse that comes from a system based on a flawed ideology. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I focus on the waste and abuses that stem from ideology. I accumulate small and large abuses (many of which I learn about here) and use them to create a narrative that will educate my mainstream peers about why our ideology is better than the status quo. </p>
<p>There cannot be any meaningful gains until they begin to accept our ideology and focusing on waste that stems from basic human nature does not help to accomplish that.</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think that in budgetary matters, relativity is relevant (i.e., pork is puny compared to defense, interest-on-debt and entitlement spending).

Beyond that, what libertarians are combatting is a mindset. And in that sense, &quot;size matters not.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that in budgetary matters, relativity is relevant (i.e., pork is puny compared to defense, interest-on-debt and entitlement spending).</p>
<p>Beyond that, what libertarians are combatting is a mindset. And in that sense, &#8220;size matters not.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other movements would do well to read this entry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other movements would do well to read this entry.</p>
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