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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/04/14/bob-barr%e2%80%99s-missed-opportunity/#comment-55308</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even though I think Barr&#039;s conversion to libertarianism is authentic, it&#039;s worth pointing out something else that got his name in the papers back in the day.

He was legendary for his crusade to name pretty much the entire DC/NoVa region after Ronald Reagan.  At one point, IIRC, he was responsible for withholding funds from the DC Metro until they changed the name of National Airport on their system maps to Ronald Reagan National Airport.  But my memory might be wrong on that account- it may have been someone else, although I&#039;m pretty sure it was Barr. 

I would tend to think that today&#039;s Bob Barr largely regrets some of those crusades, but I might just be overly optimistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I think Barr&#8217;s conversion to libertarianism is authentic, it&#8217;s worth pointing out something else that got his name in the papers back in the day.</p>
<p>He was legendary for his crusade to name pretty much the entire DC/NoVa region after Ronald Reagan.  At one point, IIRC, he was responsible for withholding funds from the DC Metro until they changed the name of National Airport on their system maps to Ronald Reagan National Airport.  But my memory might be wrong on that account- it may have been someone else, although I&#8217;m pretty sure it was Barr. </p>
<p>I would tend to think that today&#8217;s Bob Barr largely regrets some of those crusades, but I might just be overly optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I recall bob Barr was incensed that the military was allowing Wiccan service-members to practice their religion on base.

Essentially, he tried to get the millitary to ban the religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall bob Barr was incensed that the military was allowing Wiccan service-members to practice their religion on base.</p>
<p>Essentially, he tried to get the millitary to ban the religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Barr went on a crusade against Wiccans? What&#039;s that about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Barr went on a crusade against Wiccans? What&#8217;s that about?</p>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
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		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I&#039;m going to vote it will probably be for Bob Barr. He isn&#039;t perfect. Neither was Ron Paul. Bob Barr went on a crusade against Wiccans awhile back. However in this society that is a badge of honor. 

Mike Gravel is seeking a party to use for his run for presidency and has an inability to defend his rigid belief system. He goes on a Bill O&#039;Reilly like tirade like some of his supporters when faced with facts and reality, hurling abusive accusations to hide his ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m going to vote it will probably be for Bob Barr. He isn&#8217;t perfect. Neither was Ron Paul. Bob Barr went on a crusade against Wiccans awhile back. However in this society that is a badge of honor. </p>
<p>Mike Gravel is seeking a party to use for his run for presidency and has an inability to defend his rigid belief system. He goes on a Bill O&#8217;Reilly like tirade like some of his supporters when faced with facts and reality, hurling abusive accusations to hide his ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: marlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>marlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barr belongs back in the Rupugnant Party.  He, as the Libertarian presidential nominee would be an insult to the entire libertarian movement.  Here, when pushed, he states he wouldn&#039;t vote to legalize hard drugs.  We don&#039;t need Libertarians who pussyfoot around issues they are afraid the majority of moronic voters will not approve.  Libertarianism is still in the educational phase. So educate those who can be reached by explaining we&#039;re about liberty, then point out the real world horrors these drug laws cause.  None of the masses will learn anything with sell-outs like Barr speaking for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr belongs back in the Rupugnant Party.  He, as the Libertarian presidential nominee would be an insult to the entire libertarian movement.  Here, when pushed, he states he wouldn&#8217;t vote to legalize hard drugs.  We don&#8217;t need Libertarians who pussyfoot around issues they are afraid the majority of moronic voters will not approve.  Libertarianism is still in the educational phase. So educate those who can be reached by explaining we&#8217;re about liberty, then point out the real world horrors these drug laws cause.  None of the masses will learn anything with sell-outs like Barr speaking for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen: 
I was just blowing off steam at the Paulestinian interlocuter.  Nothing directed at you or at the thread more generally, which I agree is good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen:<br />
I was just blowing off steam at the Paulestinian interlocuter.  Nothing directed at you or at the thread more generally, which I agree is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;At some point I need to realize that it’s not even worth debating these people. You’re better off just ignoring (or deleting) their comments and moving along. Otherwise, you’re just having a conversation with a wall.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So far, I think the discussion in this thread has been quite productive. I don’t really know what to make of Congressman Barr at this point so I really appreciate hearing the arguments on both sides. To be honest, I haven’t followed his career or post-career very closely (but I will look into his work on the marijuana policy project when I have some time). I do however, remember John Stossel interviewing him when he was in congress defending the war on (some) drugs.   

Did Barr really have a change of heart about his ant-libertarian record (some of which Alan Colmes pointed out) after leaving congress? If so that’s great, I would love to hear more about how and why he changed (some of which he explained in the interview).  

I do find it disheartening though seeing people like Mike Gravel, who is clearly not a libertarian, join the LP for opportunistic reasons. The LP is the third largest political party and has ballot access in nearly every state. I could imagine a scenario where others like Ralph Nader would join the LP as a vehicle to further non-libertarian agendas.

I don’t think that Bob Barr is one of these people but if he wants to promote the LP agenda, he needs to stand up to people like Sean Hannity (as I believe any of the other candidates seeking the LP nomination would have).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: </p>
<blockquote><p>At some point I need to realize that it’s not even worth debating these people. You’re better off just ignoring (or deleting) their comments and moving along. Otherwise, you’re just having a conversation with a wall.</p></blockquote>
<p>So far, I think the discussion in this thread has been quite productive. I don’t really know what to make of Congressman Barr at this point so I really appreciate hearing the arguments on both sides. To be honest, I haven’t followed his career or post-career very closely (but I will look into his work on the marijuana policy project when I have some time). I do however, remember John Stossel interviewing him when he was in congress defending the war on (some) drugs.   </p>
<p>Did Barr really have a change of heart about his ant-libertarian record (some of which Alan Colmes pointed out) after leaving congress? If so that’s great, I would love to hear more about how and why he changed (some of which he explained in the interview).  </p>
<p>I do find it disheartening though seeing people like Mike Gravel, who is clearly not a libertarian, join the LP for opportunistic reasons. The LP is the third largest political party and has ballot access in nearly every state. I could imagine a scenario where others like Ralph Nader would join the LP as a vehicle to further non-libertarian agendas.</p>
<p>I don’t think that Bob Barr is one of these people but if he wants to promote the LP agenda, he needs to stand up to people like Sean Hannity (as I believe any of the other candidates seeking the LP nomination would have).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know, UCrawford.  I just needed to vent.  It&#039;s the left-wing fever swamp that&#039;s been the worst, actually.  For them, hatred of libertarians is an outright religion.  It&#039;s not the entire left-wing, of course - I&#039;ve got some great relationships with a bunch of leftie blogs.  It&#039;s just the fever swamp I can&#039;t stand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, UCrawford.  I just needed to vent.  It&#8217;s the left-wing fever swamp that&#8217;s been the worst, actually.  For them, hatred of libertarians is an outright religion.  It&#8217;s not the entire left-wing, of course &#8211; I&#8217;ve got some great relationships with a bunch of leftie blogs.  It&#8217;s just the fever swamp I can&#8217;t stand.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark,

Preaching to the choir, brother...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Preaching to the choir, brother&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...Slamming head against wall repeatedly....

I&#039;m getting sick of fever swamp commenters, both the libertarian-ish Paulestinian version here, as well as the far left version that I&#039;ve been putting up with at my own site and Megan McArdle&#039;s site.  Not to mention the conservative version I&#039;ve been putting up with at McArdle&#039;s site.  At some point I need to realize that it&#039;s not even worth debating these people.  You&#039;re better off just ignoring (or deleting) their comments and moving along.  Otherwise, you&#039;re just having a conversation with a wall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Slamming head against wall repeatedly&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting sick of fever swamp commenters, both the libertarian-ish Paulestinian version here, as well as the far left version that I&#8217;ve been putting up with at my own site and Megan McArdle&#8217;s site.  Not to mention the conservative version I&#8217;ve been putting up with at McArdle&#8217;s site.  At some point I need to realize that it&#8217;s not even worth debating these people.  You&#8217;re better off just ignoring (or deleting) their comments and moving along.  Otherwise, you&#8217;re just having a conversation with a wall.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dodsworth,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Will they ever admit it or do they want Barr to pretend that the Fed doesn’t exist?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Fed is not an issue most mainstream voters care about, abolishing the Fed is not a solution most mainstream voters are interested in, therefore it&#039;s not an issue that anyone who wants the libertarian candidate to do well wants Bob Barr to focus on.  No matter who were to get elected, the Fed&#039;s not going away, the gold standard&#039;s not coming back anytime soon and it&#039;s a waste of time discussing either of those things in regards to the presidential race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dodsworth,</p>
<blockquote><p>Will they ever admit it or do they want Barr to pretend that the Fed doesn’t exist?</p></blockquote>
<p>The Fed is not an issue most mainstream voters care about, abolishing the Fed is not a solution most mainstream voters are interested in, therefore it&#8217;s not an issue that anyone who wants the libertarian candidate to do well wants Bob Barr to focus on.  No matter who were to get elected, the Fed&#8217;s not going away, the gold standard&#8217;s not coming back anytime soon and it&#8217;s a waste of time discussing either of those things in regards to the presidential race.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WRR,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Barr’s answer was a conservative answer NOT a Libertarian answer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He was appearing on a conservative show, run by a conservative host who&#039;s hostile to libertarians, while trying to win over conservative voters...he&#039;s trying to bridge the gap between libertarians and conservatives, he&#039;s not supposed to start preaching to the choir.  That&#039;s what a politician running a serious campaign is supposed to do.  You&#039;d prefer that he start rambling about the Fed and how we never needed to fight the Civil War?

And his &lt;i&gt;actions&lt;/i&gt; outside of the talk circuit indicate he is plenty libertarian these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRR,</p>
<blockquote><p>Barr’s answer was a conservative answer NOT a Libertarian answer.</p></blockquote>
<p>He was appearing on a conservative show, run by a conservative host who&#8217;s hostile to libertarians, while trying to win over conservative voters&#8230;he&#8217;s trying to bridge the gap between libertarians and conservatives, he&#8217;s not supposed to start preaching to the choir.  That&#8217;s what a politician running a serious campaign is supposed to do.  You&#8217;d prefer that he start rambling about the Fed and how we never needed to fight the Civil War?</p>
<p>And his <i>actions</i> outside of the talk circuit indicate he is plenty libertarian these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug and other Folks at Liberty Papers like to bash Ron Paul&#039;s &quot;rambling answers&quot; but, viewed in hindsight, he was far superior to Barr.  He was not only more precise but, more importantly, was not so evasive and had a deeper understanding of liberty    Doug and company also made fun of Paul&#039;s &quot;quirky&quot; emphasis on the Fed.   It turns out that he was very much ahead of the curve on the Fed issue which is very much in the news.   Will they ever admit it or do they want Barr to pretend that the Fed doesn&#039;t exist?

I hope that Paul will reenter the race.  As the economy heads toward recession, who else is there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug and other Folks at Liberty Papers like to bash Ron Paul&#8217;s &#8220;rambling answers&#8221; but, viewed in hindsight, he was far superior to Barr.  He was not only more precise but, more importantly, was not so evasive and had a deeper understanding of liberty    Doug and company also made fun of Paul&#8217;s &#8220;quirky&#8221; emphasis on the Fed.   It turns out that he was very much ahead of the curve on the Fed issue which is very much in the news.   Will they ever admit it or do they want Barr to pretend that the Fed doesn&#8217;t exist?</p>
<p>I hope that Paul will reenter the race.  As the economy heads toward recession, who else is there?</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

&lt;blockquote&gt;When is he not in blowhard mode?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whenever he&#039;s asking questions, trying to figure out where to attack...he can&#039;t bloviate as effectively until his guest actually takes a solid position on something.  That&#039;s why you give responses that are evasive enough to keep him asking questions.

Fuck Hannity anyway...his show sucks.  And I haven&#039;t bothered with talk radio since the early &#039;90s, when Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern were still somewhat interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<blockquote><p>When is he not in blowhard mode?</p></blockquote>
<p>Whenever he&#8217;s asking questions, trying to figure out where to attack&#8230;he can&#8217;t bloviate as effectively until his guest actually takes a solid position on something.  That&#8217;s why you give responses that are evasive enough to keep him asking questions.</p>
<p>Fuck Hannity anyway&#8230;his show sucks.  And I haven&#8217;t bothered with talk radio since the early &#8217;90s, when Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern were still somewhat interesting.</p>
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