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	<title>Comments on: Stormfront, Ron Paul, and Bob Barr &#8212; aka Why I Hate Politics</title>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; RIP, George Carlin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-57020</link>
		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; RIP, George Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] consistent with their current quotes. Russert was part of the media machine that incentivized bullshit, because only people who spout platitudes can avoid being criticized for changing their [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56821</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

Fixed it for you :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Fixed it for you :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56812</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And principal should have been principle. I think I should go to bed. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And principal should have been principle. I think I should go to bed. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Err, can someone delete one of the negatives from my second sentence? Either will be fine. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err, can someone delete one of the negatives from my second sentence? Either will be fine. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby (aka Mr. Grammar)</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby (aka Mr. Grammar)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outside of &quot;making a point&quot;, there isn&#039;t much benefit to voting for either of them*. I wouldn&#039;t even be terribly surprised if the Paul write-ins make a serious run at Barr for third place. 

*I will take 20 minutes out of my life to cast a virtually meaningless vote, but that&#039;s simply because I don&#039;t mind making small sacrifices for principle. I don&#039;t kid myself about its effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside of &#8220;making a point&#8221;, there isn&#8217;t much benefit to voting for either of them*. I wouldn&#8217;t even be terribly surprised if the Paul write-ins make a serious run at Barr for third place. </p>
<p>*I will take 20 minutes out of my life to cast a virtually meaningless vote, but that&#8217;s simply because I don&#8217;t mind making small sacrifices for principle. I don&#8217;t kid myself about its effect.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56809</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

He formally pulled the plug today.  He&#039;s not in the race.  So it is pointless to vote for him.  And it is utter stupidity for the Paulestinians to claim that that voting for Barr is more futile than voting for Paul.

But then you know what I think about the Paulestinians&#039; grasp on reality...most of them are just a bunch of cultists looking for a master.  Sort of like the idiots chasing Graham Chapman in &quot;Life of Brian&quot;.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc&amp;feature=related

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>He formally pulled the plug today.  He&#8217;s not in the race.  So it is pointless to vote for him.  And it is utter stupidity for the Paulestinians to claim that that voting for Barr is more futile than voting for Paul.</p>
<p>But then you know what I think about the Paulestinians&#8217; grasp on reality&#8230;most of them are just a bunch of cultists looking for a master.  Sort of like the idiots chasing Graham Chapman in &#8220;Life of Brian&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56801</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;My entire point here is that in a democratic political system, the system is working exactly as expected.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d like to refer you to a favorite Twain quote of mine. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;“The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. But he won&#039;t sit upon a cold stove lid, either.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously, a two-party constitutional republic doesn&#039;t last for very long. I&#039;m not convinced, yet, that a three-plus-party constitutional republic wouldn&#039;t work. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;So you can quit making ridiculous statements about how Barr is more of a longshot than Paul because Paul’s not even in the race.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, i don&#039;t know. I&#039;d say they&#039;re about neck and neck at this point. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My entire point here is that in a democratic political system, the system is working exactly as expected.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to refer you to a favorite Twain quote of mine. </p>
<blockquote><p>“The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. But he won&#8217;t sit upon a cold stove lid, either.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously, a two-party constitutional republic doesn&#8217;t last for very long. I&#8217;m not convinced, yet, that a three-plus-party constitutional republic wouldn&#8217;t work. </p>
<blockquote><p>So you can quit making ridiculous statements about how Barr is more of a longshot than Paul because Paul’s not even in the race.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, i don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re about neck and neck at this point. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56794</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smithers,

If that&#039;s your opinion, write in Ron Paul for President (since he&#039;s not going to be on the ballot).  You probably have less of a chance of it ever being counted than a vote for Barr.  

But if you consider writing in Ron Paul to be less of a &quot;pathetic protest vote&quot; than voting third party, you might want to up the dose on your meds, man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smithers,</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s your opinion, write in Ron Paul for President (since he&#8217;s not going to be on the ballot).  You probably have less of a chance of it ever being counted than a vote for Barr.  </p>
<p>But if you consider writing in Ron Paul to be less of a &#8220;pathetic protest vote&#8221; than voting third party, you might want to up the dose on your meds, man.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56791</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smithers,

Ron Paul&#039;s presidential campaign is over.  It&#039;s done.  It&#039;s a waste of time to continue discussing it.  So you can quit making ridiculous statements about how Barr is more of a longshot than Paul because Paul&#039;s not even in the race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smithers,</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s presidential campaign is over.  It&#8217;s done.  It&#8217;s a waste of time to continue discussing it.  So you can quit making ridiculous statements about how Barr is more of a longshot than Paul because Paul&#8217;s not even in the race.</p>
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		<title>By: Smithers</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56784</link>
		<dc:creator>Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I agree that liberty cannot be achieved by electing the right people. Though I&#039;m sure it will be far more difficult with the prevalence of this kind of attitude, and by promoting Bob Barr as some kind of valid alternative to Ron Paul. Bob Barr is the Libertarian Nader! Ron Paul presents a rare opportunity to reassert our constitution, and his principles and refusal to play &quot;the game&quot; are what make him a threat to those who attack, smear and marginalize him, rather than Bob Barr, who is nothing more than a pathetic protest vote, at best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree that liberty cannot be achieved by electing the right people. Though I&#8217;m sure it will be far more difficult with the prevalence of this kind of attitude, and by promoting Bob Barr as some kind of valid alternative to Ron Paul. Bob Barr is the Libertarian Nader! Ron Paul presents a rare opportunity to reassert our constitution, and his principles and refusal to play &#8220;the game&#8221; are what make him a threat to those who attack, smear and marginalize him, rather than Bob Barr, who is nothing more than a pathetic protest vote, at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56783</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duke,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Such is the degree of corruption we are dealing with.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I work in the computer industry.  We see &quot;corruption&quot; as what happens when information gets screwed up because of a breakdown-- things working in ways they&#039;re not designed to.

My entire point here is that in a democratic political system, &lt;strong&gt;the system is working exactly as expected&lt;/strong&gt;.  Does that mean that we&#039;re seeing what a computer guy would call &quot;garbage-in, garbage out&quot;?  Exactly!

We&#039;re not seeing the system fail.  We&#039;re seeing the bad results of a flawed system working as expected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duke,</p>
<blockquote><p>Such is the degree of corruption we are dealing with.</p></blockquote>
<p>I work in the computer industry.  We see &#8220;corruption&#8221; as what happens when information gets screwed up because of a breakdown&#8211; things working in ways they&#8217;re not designed to.</p>
<p>My entire point here is that in a democratic political system, <strong>the system is working exactly as expected</strong>.  Does that mean that we&#8217;re seeing what a computer guy would call &#8220;garbage-in, garbage out&#8221;?  Exactly!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not seeing the system fail.  We&#8217;re seeing the bad results of a flawed system working as expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56782</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

To be fair, I left out the third option, which you espoused.  Mainly, that since the LP won&#039;t win, they might at least try to put together a coherent enough platform to attract people to liberty in the general sense, without allowing the crazier elements in the movement to scare people away.

Perhaps a better option would have been his position on the defense of marriage act, which is a very pro-&quot;states rights&quot; position.  States rights, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/05/29/states-rights-petty-oppression-better-than-widespread-oppression/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I pointed out here&lt;/a&gt;, often is a mealy-mouthed way to suggest &quot;hey, if those crazy Californians want to let the gays get married, so be it, but we god-fearing folks in Georgia won&#039;t have it.&quot;  It can be interpreted in wildly different manners in different places, and it allows Barr to pander to gay rights groups while also not forcing him to say that the government shouldn&#039;t be discriminating against gay people.  He&#039;s saying, instead, that the &lt;strong&gt;federal&lt;/strong&gt; government shouldn&#039;t be the one doing the discrimination, but that individual states should be free to interfere.

He&#039;s said enough to make people feel warm and fuzzy, but he hasn&#039;t really said much at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>To be fair, I left out the third option, which you espoused.  Mainly, that since the LP won&#8217;t win, they might at least try to put together a coherent enough platform to attract people to liberty in the general sense, without allowing the crazier elements in the movement to scare people away.</p>
<p>Perhaps a better option would have been his position on the defense of marriage act, which is a very pro-&#8221;states rights&#8221; position.  States rights, as <a href="http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/05/29/states-rights-petty-oppression-better-than-widespread-oppression/" rel="nofollow">I pointed out here</a>, often is a mealy-mouthed way to suggest &#8220;hey, if those crazy Californians want to let the gays get married, so be it, but we god-fearing folks in Georgia won&#8217;t have it.&#8221;  It can be interpreted in wildly different manners in different places, and it allows Barr to pander to gay rights groups while also not forcing him to say that the government shouldn&#8217;t be discriminating against gay people.  He&#8217;s saying, instead, that the <strong>federal</strong> government shouldn&#8217;t be the one doing the discrimination, but that individual states should be free to interfere.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s said enough to make people feel warm and fuzzy, but he hasn&#8217;t really said much at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Duke</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56780</link>
		<dc:creator>Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If RP can&#039;t win as a Libertarian, Bob Barr certainly can&#039;t. McCain is a neo-con (meaning pro-war socialist). I won&#039;t be voting unless I can write-in Dr. Paul. 

Personally, I don&#039;t think our democracy can be restored through the political process. Such is the degree of corruption we are dealing with. Revolution, though perhaps many years away, is inevitable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If RP can&#8217;t win as a Libertarian, Bob Barr certainly can&#8217;t. McCain is a neo-con (meaning pro-war socialist). I won&#8217;t be voting unless I can write-in Dr. Paul. </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think our democracy can be restored through the political process. Such is the degree of corruption we are dealing with. Revolution, though perhaps many years away, is inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/11/stormfront-ron-paul-and-bob-barr-aka-why-i-hate-politics/#comment-56779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;And it worked! In the comments to my post, I saw different readers interpret his response through their own ideological spectrum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I didn&#039;t read the other comments, but as for mine, I didn&#039;t interpret his response all. 

I think the single best thing libertarians can do these days is spread the message that we have different ideas and they&#039;re not far-fetched. We&#039;re not going to get anywhere until we at least build up that much credibility. 

Barr&#039;s statement succeeded on that point, so I was happy. I don&#039;t care one bit whether or not he would actually govern under libertarian principles because he can&#039;t possibly win as a third party candidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it worked! In the comments to my post, I saw different readers interpret his response through their own ideological spectrum.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t read the other comments, but as for mine, I didn&#8217;t interpret his response all. </p>
<p>I think the single best thing libertarians can do these days is spread the message that we have different ideas and they&#8217;re not far-fetched. We&#8217;re not going to get anywhere until we at least build up that much credibility. </p>
<p>Barr&#8217;s statement succeeded on that point, so I was happy. I don&#8217;t care one bit whether or not he would actually govern under libertarian principles because he can&#8217;t possibly win as a third party candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;no third solution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Smartest Thing I&#8217;ve Read About the Election</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;no third solution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Smartest Thing I&#8217;ve Read About the Election</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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