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		<title>By: Norm Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57252</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The modern definition of &quot;Covert&quot; would be operations that are hidden from the citizens of the government that is conducting them. Those that the operations are against become quite aware of them.

As such this is the main ingredient for another batch of Blow-back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modern definition of &#8220;Covert&#8221; would be operations that are hidden from the citizens of the government that is conducting them. Those that the operations are against become quite aware of them.</p>
<p>As such this is the main ingredient for another batch of Blow-back.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57233</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of things that most people may not understand about the physics and cost of nuclear weapons. 

1. Every nuclear reactor has a unique fingerprint. The reactor that produced the bomb can be determined by the mixture of isotopes in the bomb fallout. If an Iranian nuke were set off, we would be able to tell where it came from pretty easily. All credible physicists, including the ones working on the Iranian nukes, know this. 

2. Making a nuke isn&#039;t difficult in terms of science, but is quite difficult in terms of money and engineering. While Iran may be able to build one, they really are not very likely to be able to build more than a few. Setting one off in a hostile situation will almost certainly ensure that Israel, the US, Russia, Britain or France (depending on the scenario) annihilates Iran. Given the reality of #1 above a terrorist use of an Iranian nuke is almost certainly not a reality. Much more likely is a &quot;lost&quot; Russian nuke for the terrorist scenario. 

3. Iran, like Russia, China, Cuba and many other totalitarian states, can best be defeated through information sharing, not confrontation. I am always amazed that we fail to learn the lesson of the Cold War. Make the bad guys spend money that a centrally planned economy can&#039;t afford and then tell the people of that country what idiots their leaders are. It worked in Europe and it will work here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things that most people may not understand about the physics and cost of nuclear weapons. </p>
<p>1. Every nuclear reactor has a unique fingerprint. The reactor that produced the bomb can be determined by the mixture of isotopes in the bomb fallout. If an Iranian nuke were set off, we would be able to tell where it came from pretty easily. All credible physicists, including the ones working on the Iranian nukes, know this. </p>
<p>2. Making a nuke isn&#8217;t difficult in terms of science, but is quite difficult in terms of money and engineering. While Iran may be able to build one, they really are not very likely to be able to build more than a few. Setting one off in a hostile situation will almost certainly ensure that Israel, the US, Russia, Britain or France (depending on the scenario) annihilates Iran. Given the reality of #1 above a terrorist use of an Iranian nuke is almost certainly not a reality. Much more likely is a &#8220;lost&#8221; Russian nuke for the terrorist scenario. </p>
<p>3. Iran, like Russia, China, Cuba and many other totalitarian states, can best be defeated through information sharing, not confrontation. I am always amazed that we fail to learn the lesson of the Cold War. Make the bad guys spend money that a centrally planned economy can&#8217;t afford and then tell the people of that country what idiots their leaders are. It worked in Europe and it will work here.</p>
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		<title>By: tarran</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57210</link>
		<dc:creator>tarran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The simplest solution is to stop threatening Iran.  Seriously.

Since the U.S. decided to overthrow the Iranian government as a favor to the British Foreign Office in the 1950&#039;s, the U.S. government has been threatening Iran unless it behaves like a client state.  Look at a map of Iran, and you will notice that practically every country that borders it has a significant military presence.  The U.S. government is making the same mistake it made with Japan in the 19th century.  After being subjected to Americna gunboat diplomacy, the Japanese intellectuals concluded, quite logically, that if they either became an imperial power like the Western powers or to be looted and partitioned like China.  They chose the former, and the result was the slaughter of millions of Chinese.

If I were an American official who cynically wanted to Iranians to acquire nuclear weapons, I would goad the Iranian government by threatening them in precisely the same manner as the Bush administration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest solution is to stop threatening Iran.  Seriously.</p>
<p>Since the U.S. decided to overthrow the Iranian government as a favor to the British Foreign Office in the 1950&#8242;s, the U.S. government has been threatening Iran unless it behaves like a client state.  Look at a map of Iran, and you will notice that practically every country that borders it has a significant military presence.  The U.S. government is making the same mistake it made with Japan in the 19th century.  After being subjected to Americna gunboat diplomacy, the Japanese intellectuals concluded, quite logically, that if they either became an imperial power like the Western powers or to be looted and partitioned like China.  They chose the former, and the result was the slaughter of millions of Chinese.</p>
<p>If I were an American official who cynically wanted to Iranians to acquire nuclear weapons, I would goad the Iranian government by threatening them in precisely the same manner as the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57206</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pragmatically: Nukes are notoriously difficult and expensive to build.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-in-the-press/press-coverage-2005/september-2005/iran-nuclear-weapons-at-least-5-years-away/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Recent intelligence reports&lt;/a&gt; suggest Iran is years away from even having one.  If they ever do get one, the odds of them using it capriciously (like attacking Israel with it) seem pretty small.  Why blow your big new toy enraging a country with 300 nukes (or the U.S. with several thousand)?  If they do eventually make one, their more practical avenue would probably be to make a big deal about testing it, then shake down the U.S. for big bucks in aid a-la North Korea.  That worked great for them.

Philosophically: If the U.S. has the right to prevent other countries from building nukes, wouldn&#039;t that suggest that other countries have some sort of claim on whether we can do the same?  If a country isn&#039;t posing a clear and present danger of attacking us, and we haven&#039;t declared war on them, where would we get such an authority?  As we saw in Iraq, bluster does not necessarily equal threat.

Personally: I agree with Eisenhower - &lt;i&gt;&quot;All of us have heard this term &#039;preventive war&#039; since the earliest days of Hitler...I wouldn&#039;t even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatically: Nukes are notoriously difficult and expensive to build.  <a href="http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-in-the-press/press-coverage-2005/september-2005/iran-nuclear-weapons-at-least-5-years-away/" rel="nofollow">Recent intelligence reports</a> suggest Iran is years away from even having one.  If they ever do get one, the odds of them using it capriciously (like attacking Israel with it) seem pretty small.  Why blow your big new toy enraging a country with 300 nukes (or the U.S. with several thousand)?  If they do eventually make one, their more practical avenue would probably be to make a big deal about testing it, then shake down the U.S. for big bucks in aid a-la North Korea.  That worked great for them.</p>
<p>Philosophically: If the U.S. has the right to prevent other countries from building nukes, wouldn&#8217;t that suggest that other countries have some sort of claim on whether we can do the same?  If a country isn&#8217;t posing a clear and present danger of attacking us, and we haven&#8217;t declared war on them, where would we get such an authority?  As we saw in Iraq, bluster does not necessarily equal threat.</p>
<p>Personally: I agree with Eisenhower &#8211; <i>&#8220;All of us have heard this term &#8216;preventive war&#8217; since the earliest days of Hitler&#8230;I wouldn&#8217;t even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: LBest</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57202</link>
		<dc:creator>LBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how does everybody here suggest we stop Iran from getting nukes? Or is it ok for sombody who said they will use them on another country to abtain them because it is their right?
By the way I do not think the USA should be helping, funding or arming the nuts. I just dont see anybody giving solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how does everybody here suggest we stop Iran from getting nukes? Or is it ok for sombody who said they will use them on another country to abtain them because it is their right?<br />
By the way I do not think the USA should be helping, funding or arming the nuts. I just dont see anybody giving solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin T</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57165</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s how the logistics will look:

Israel carried out extensive war games activities earlier this month with a range almost exactly equal to the distance between major Israeli air bases and the Iranian nuclear reactor at Nantaz. Twenty years ago Isreal bombed a similar site in Iraq, and mere months ago hit a reactor site in syria. 
Isreal will strike Iran first which will prompt responses from Shiite militant groups as well as the Iranian government. At the first sign of distress on behalf of Isreal, or the mere mention of the word &quot;Nuke-U-Lerr&quot; by Iran, the US will enter the fray, guns blazing, shocking and awing some more muslims to the wrong side of the dirt. This will happen, watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how the logistics will look:</p>
<p>Israel carried out extensive war games activities earlier this month with a range almost exactly equal to the distance between major Israeli air bases and the Iranian nuclear reactor at Nantaz. Twenty years ago Isreal bombed a similar site in Iraq, and mere months ago hit a reactor site in syria.<br />
Isreal will strike Iran first which will prompt responses from Shiite militant groups as well as the Iranian government. At the first sign of distress on behalf of Isreal, or the mere mention of the word &#8220;Nuke-U-Lerr&#8221; by Iran, the US will enter the fray, guns blazing, shocking and awing some more muslims to the wrong side of the dirt. This will happen, watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57163</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if it is still possible for a U.S. attack on Iran to take place before 1/20/09.  What are the logistics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it is still possible for a U.S. attack on Iran to take place before 1/20/09.  What are the logistics?</p>
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		<title>By: mahdi</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57161</link>
		<dc:creator>mahdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re totally right man . Actually my father who was a shoemaker was brutally assassinated by MKO (mek, pmoi) terrorist elements in Iran during the early years of Iran after revolution. This designated terrorist cult by the us, eu and many coutries across the world is responsible for killing over 16000 innocent civilians and government officials in Iran. During Iraq-Iran war they served Saddam as his private army while fighting their own people. They have also assisted Iraqi dictator suppress Shiaats and massacre Kurds in Iraq .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re totally right man . Actually my father who was a shoemaker was brutally assassinated by MKO (mek, pmoi) terrorist elements in Iran during the early years of Iran after revolution. This designated terrorist cult by the us, eu and many coutries across the world is responsible for killing over 16000 innocent civilians and government officials in Iran. During Iraq-Iran war they served Saddam as his private army while fighting their own people. They have also assisted Iraqi dictator suppress Shiaats and massacre Kurds in Iraq .</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57156</link>
		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we need to do is to install a Shah there.  That&#039;ll settle things down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need to do is to install a Shah there.  That&#8217;ll settle things down.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/29/how-badly-this-administration-wants-war/#comment-57155</link>
		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tarran,

I wholeheartedly agree.  Unfortunately, now that he&#039;s a lame duck, Dubya very likely doesn&#039;t give a shit.  He knows that the chances of him ever being held accountable for anything he does are pretty much zero.  So why not try to roil up more problems with Iran and force his successor to stay in Iraq longer?  It&#039;s not like it&#039;s his kids getting shot at over there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarran,</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree.  Unfortunately, now that he&#8217;s a lame duck, Dubya very likely doesn&#8217;t give a shit.  He knows that the chances of him ever being held accountable for anything he does are pretty much zero.  So why not try to roil up more problems with Iran and force his successor to stay in Iraq longer?  It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s his kids getting shot at over there.</p>
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