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	<title>Comments on: Quote Of The Day &#8212; Libertarians for Commies Edition</title>
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		<title>By: uhm</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59705</link>
		<dc:creator>uhm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His article is ethnocentric. If all the idiots were thrown out of the libertarian movement. There wouldn&#039;t be much left of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His article is ethnocentric. If all the idiots were thrown out of the libertarian movement. There wouldn&#8217;t be much left of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59694</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don,

Why ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Why ?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59693</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oilnwater &amp; Thomas,

Talk about seeing things that aren&#039;t there.

Geez, Rockwell was the moron who wrote the post praising a dictator, he&#039;s the one I was talking about.

And....obsessed with Ron Paul, I haven&#039;t given him much thought for about six months now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oilnwater &#038; Thomas,</p>
<p>Talk about seeing things that aren&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Geez, Rockwell was the moron who wrote the post praising a dictator, he&#8217;s the one I was talking about.</p>
<p>And&#8230;.obsessed with Ron Paul, I haven&#8217;t given him much thought for about six months now.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasBlair</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59692</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasBlair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oilnwater,

I thought the exact same thing.

1. The article is mostly about China&#039;s past and future place in the world.

2. Lew Rockwell posted a link saying, &quot;here&#039;s something to think about&quot;.

3. And LW and RP at one time (and maybe still are!) friends.

Conclusion? RP is a communista.

QED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oilnwater,</p>
<p>I thought the exact same thing.</p>
<p>1. The article is mostly about China&#8217;s past and future place in the world.</p>
<p>2. Lew Rockwell posted a link saying, &#8220;here&#8217;s something to think about&#8221;.</p>
<p>3. And LW and RP at one time (and maybe still are!) friends.</p>
<p>Conclusion? RP is a communista.</p>
<p>QED.</p>
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		<title>By: oilnwater</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59691</link>
		<dc:creator>oilnwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh wow, you&#039;re still obsessed with Ron Paul.  that&#039;s  ...sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wow, you&#8217;re still obsessed with Ron Paul.  that&#8217;s  &#8230;sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59690</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

&quot;Well, since I don’t think it’s morally justified to murder a baby based on something they might do in the future, I would choose neither.&quot;

OK, then convince (or bribe) the mother to voluntarily abort. 

Regards, Don]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, since I don’t think it’s morally justified to murder a baby based on something they might do in the future, I would choose neither.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, then convince (or bribe) the mother to voluntarily abort. </p>
<p>Regards, Don</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59689</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juan,

There&#039;s a case to be made that the Soviet Communists improved the lives of the Russian people by eliminating the nation&#039;s dependence on farming and building a large, if inefficient, industrial complex.

Of course, they murdered alot of people to do it.

Just because Deng made the trains run faster doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s worthy of any praise or recognition at all. Remember that he&#039;s the one who allowed thousands of innocent students to die:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping#Role_in_the_Tiananmen_Square_protests

The man was a thug, pure and simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a case to be made that the Soviet Communists improved the lives of the Russian people by eliminating the nation&#8217;s dependence on farming and building a large, if inefficient, industrial complex.</p>
<p>Of course, they murdered alot of people to do it.</p>
<p>Just because Deng made the trains run faster doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s worthy of any praise or recognition at all. Remember that he&#8217;s the one who allowed thousands of innocent students to die:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping#Role_in_the_Tiananmen_Square_protests" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping#Role_in_the_Tiananmen_Square_protests</a></p>
<p>The man was a thug, pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59688</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Deng was never unclear concerning his goals: He wanted to bring western capital and industrial innovation to China …

… to the exact extent that he could do so without compromising the power of his totalitarian state so much as an iota, and not one inch further.

Any small signs of liberalization we see in China are symbols of Deng’s failure, not of his success, in achieving his goals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. 

One could argue that Deng&#039;s model wasn&#039;t the United States, but Sinagpore, which has managed to combine technological innovation and economic liberalization with an authoritarian state.

Although I&#039;m sure that Deng though Singapore was far to free for his taste.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<blockquote><p>Deng was never unclear concerning his goals: He wanted to bring western capital and industrial innovation to China …</p>
<p>… to the exact extent that he could do so without compromising the power of his totalitarian state so much as an iota, and not one inch further.</p>
<p>Any small signs of liberalization we see in China are symbols of Deng’s failure, not of his success, in achieving his goals.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>One could argue that Deng&#8217;s model wasn&#8217;t the United States, but Sinagpore, which has managed to combine technological innovation and economic liberalization with an authoritarian state.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m sure that Deng though Singapore was far to free for his taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Fernando C.</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59685</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Fernando C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.

&quot;There&#039;s a case to be made&quot; =/= was someone to admire as a human being.

To paraphrase you: one of the reasons why I sometimes think that libertarians will never really be taken seriously until we purge ourselves of the simpleminded purists.

Only admire Spooner then, since he was pure. Of the rest of mankind we have to think ill since they are all a bunch of socialists or would be once in power...

Give me a break.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a case to be made&#8221; =/= was someone to admire as a human being.</p>
<p>To paraphrase you: one of the reasons why I sometimes think that libertarians will never really be taken seriously until we purge ourselves of the simpleminded purists.</p>
<p>Only admire Spooner then, since he was pure. Of the rest of mankind we have to think ill since they are all a bunch of socialists or would be once in power&#8230;</p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59684</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deng was never unclear concerning his goals: He wanted to bring western capital and industrial innovation to China ...

... to the exact extent that he could do so without compromising the power of his totalitarian state so much as an iota, and not one inch further.

Any small signs of liberalization we see in China are symbols of Deng&#039;s &lt;em&gt;failure&lt;/em&gt;, not of his &lt;em&gt;success&lt;/em&gt;, in achieving his goals.

His success, measured by his own lights, is that he managed to leverage the customer power of relatively free countries into production power exercised by China&#039;s slave population to produce revenues for its slave-keeping regime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deng was never unclear concerning his goals: He wanted to bring western capital and industrial innovation to China &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; to the exact extent that he could do so without compromising the power of his totalitarian state so much as an iota, and not one inch further.</p>
<p>Any small signs of liberalization we see in China are symbols of Deng&#8217;s <em>failure</em>, not of his <em>success</em>, in achieving his goals.</p>
<p>His success, measured by his own lights, is that he managed to leverage the customer power of relatively free countries into production power exercised by China&#8217;s slave population to produce revenues for its slave-keeping regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59683</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I certainly won’t argue that Deng Xiaopeng is a saint. But one can judge him on what his government has done right, and that’s quite a bit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You could say the same thing about George W. Bush, or even Richard Nixon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I certainly won’t argue that Deng Xiaopeng is a saint. But one can judge him on what his government has done right, and that’s quite a bit.</p></blockquote>
<p>You could say the same thing about George W. Bush, or even Richard Nixon.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59682</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert,

Yes, but Washington and Jefferson both recognized that there was a contradiction between their words and their actions and governed in a way that enhanced individual liberty.

The same cannot be said for a man like Deng.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Yes, but Washington and Jefferson both recognized that there was a contradiction between their words and their actions and governed in a way that enhanced individual liberty.</p>
<p>The same cannot be said for a man like Deng.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59681</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don,

&lt;blockquote&gt;If, 50 years in the future, you could reach back in history and abort the birth of Deng or GW Bush, or both or neither, which of the four choices would likely leave the world better off?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, since I don&#039;t think it&#039;s morally justified to murder a baby based on something they might do in the future, I would choose neither.

However, if both men appeared before me to judge their fate, I would say that Deng clearly has more blood on his hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<blockquote><p>If, 50 years in the future, you could reach back in history and abort the birth of Deng or GW Bush, or both or neither, which of the four choices would likely leave the world better off?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, since I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s morally justified to murder a baby based on something they might do in the future, I would choose neither.</p>
<p>However, if both men appeared before me to judge their fate, I would say that Deng clearly has more blood on his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasBlair</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/18/quote-of-the-day-libertarians-for-commies-edition/#comment-59680</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasBlair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) Although on LRC the post is titled, &quot;Greatest Man of the 20th Century?&quot;, the article actually says, &quot;may yet go down as the single most important historical figure of the 20th century&quot;. The difference isn&#039;t exactly subtle, but it isn&#039;t that huge either. For example, Time&#039;s Person of the Year is generally interpreted by the masses as &#039;greatest person of the year&#039; when it is really just an article on the most influential person of the year, good or bad.

2. It&#039;s an brief facial analysis suggesting that, on balance, he has done more for more people than anyone else. And that&#039;s not a half-baked idea. There are 1.3 billion Chinese. So, if someone causes $1 per capita of improvement in both the US and China, he&#039;s done over four times the good in China than in the US.

I certainly won&#039;t argue that Deng Xiaopeng is a saint. But one can judge him on what his government has done right, and that&#039;s quite a bit.

3. The article, for the most part, has nothing to do specifically with Xiaopeng. It&#039;s about China and the past and future role in the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Although on LRC the post is titled, &#8220;Greatest Man of the 20th Century?&#8221;, the article actually says, &#8220;may yet go down as the single most important historical figure of the 20th century&#8221;. The difference isn&#8217;t exactly subtle, but it isn&#8217;t that huge either. For example, Time&#8217;s Person of the Year is generally interpreted by the masses as &#8216;greatest person of the year&#8217; when it is really just an article on the most influential person of the year, good or bad.</p>
<p>2. It&#8217;s an brief facial analysis suggesting that, on balance, he has done more for more people than anyone else. And that&#8217;s not a half-baked idea. There are 1.3 billion Chinese. So, if someone causes $1 per capita of improvement in both the US and China, he&#8217;s done over four times the good in China than in the US.</p>
<p>I certainly won&#8217;t argue that Deng Xiaopeng is a saint. But one can judge him on what his government has done right, and that&#8217;s quite a bit.</p>
<p>3. The article, for the most part, has nothing to do specifically with Xiaopeng. It&#8217;s about China and the past and future role in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert A. Wicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert A. Wicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a most uncharitable interpretation. Any head of a national government can be condemned for murder, theft, and slavery. The point is really whether the person did less of those things than his predecessor. I don&#039;t have a problem with someone saying George Washington or Thomas Jefferson were the greatest men of the 18th century, even though they were murderers, slavers, and, in the case of Jefferson, likely a rapist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a most uncharitable interpretation. Any head of a national government can be condemned for murder, theft, and slavery. The point is really whether the person did less of those things than his predecessor. I don&#8217;t have a problem with someone saying George Washington or Thomas Jefferson were the greatest men of the 18th century, even though they were murderers, slavers, and, in the case of Jefferson, likely a rapist.</p>
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