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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/joe-biden-and-liberty/#comment-59811</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who should I quote Jonesy, Jill Biden ?

The Club For Growth material is 100% true, therefore it&#039;s worth including in any evaluation of Biden&#039;s record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who should I quote Jonesy, Jill Biden ?</p>
<p>The Club For Growth material is 100% true, therefore it&#8217;s worth including in any evaluation of Biden&#8217;s record.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonesy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/joe-biden-and-liberty/#comment-59810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat Toomey is politically biased (he&#039;s a partisan republican). I dont think his quote should be a part of your post. That would be like including a quote from the McCain campaign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Toomey is politically biased (he&#8217;s a partisan republican). I dont think his quote should be a part of your post. That would be like including a quote from the McCain campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/joe-biden-and-liberty/#comment-59787</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug:
It may well be the case that Obama/Biden are wrong on all those issues (although I would point out that even Biden is better than most Dems were on trade not that terribly long ago), and Radley Balko had a post the other day about how bad Biden is where Dems should be good.  

But I wouldn&#039;t say I&#039;m giving up, either (after all, I am still a Barr supporter)- I&#039;m not asking that anyone ignore their flaws in these areas.  

Instead, I&#039;m more pointing out that as bad as Obama/Biden may seem on economic issues, the fact is that they&#039;re looking to replace possibly the most anti-liberty administration in history, or at least since FDR.  And that administration is a Republican administration.  In essence, I am challenging the somewhat long-held assumption that the Republican Party is, in the long run, less offensive to libertarian instincts than the Dem Party.  They both have plenty of bad points, and the most ideological groups in each party even have some good points (though too often the parties themselves refuse to advance policy on these good points), but neither party is inherently better or less bad for liberty than the other party.  My suspicion is that, for at least the short-term and possibly the intermediate term, the Dem Party will be marginally less bad for liberty than the Republican Party and its increasing bellicosity.  As I&#039;ve said elsewhere, I also think, at this point, that libertarians have much more in common with ideological liberals (as opposed to mainstream Democrats) than with modern ideological conservatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug:<br />
It may well be the case that Obama/Biden are wrong on all those issues (although I would point out that even Biden is better than most Dems were on trade not that terribly long ago), and Radley Balko had a post the other day about how bad Biden is where Dems should be good.  </p>
<p>But I wouldn&#8217;t say I&#8217;m giving up, either (after all, I am still a Barr supporter)- I&#8217;m not asking that anyone ignore their flaws in these areas.  </p>
<p>Instead, I&#8217;m more pointing out that as bad as Obama/Biden may seem on economic issues, the fact is that they&#8217;re looking to replace possibly the most anti-liberty administration in history, or at least since FDR.  And that administration is a Republican administration.  In essence, I am challenging the somewhat long-held assumption that the Republican Party is, in the long run, less offensive to libertarian instincts than the Dem Party.  They both have plenty of bad points, and the most ideological groups in each party even have some good points (though too often the parties themselves refuse to advance policy on these good points), but neither party is inherently better or less bad for liberty than the other party.  My suspicion is that, for at least the short-term and possibly the intermediate term, the Dem Party will be marginally less bad for liberty than the Republican Party and its increasing bellicosity.  As I&#8217;ve said elsewhere, I also think, at this point, that libertarians have much more in common with ideological liberals (as opposed to mainstream Democrats) than with modern ideological conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: inDglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>inDglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He also voted for No Child Left Behind, which is expanding the achievement gap, destroying the curriculum, and wasting millions of dollars that would otherwise be spent on actual education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also voted for No Child Left Behind, which is expanding the achievement gap, destroying the curriculum, and wasting millions of dollars that would otherwise be spent on actual education.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/joe-biden-and-liberty/#comment-59784</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d rather someone who is going to waste a boatload of money on ill-conceived entitlements here at home than someone who is going to waste an equal boatload of money on ill-conceived invasions of foreign countries that make the unintended consequences of entitlement spending look mild by comparison. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That basically strikes me as giving up.

I can&#039;t support McCain for reasons I&#039;ve made clear, but that doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m going to ignore the fact that Obama/Biden are wrong on most economic issues, wrong on international trade, and, in some cases, just plain wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<blockquote><p>I’d rather someone who is going to waste a boatload of money on ill-conceived entitlements here at home than someone who is going to waste an equal boatload of money on ill-conceived invasions of foreign countries that make the unintended consequences of entitlement spending look mild by comparison. </p></blockquote>
<p>That basically strikes me as giving up.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t support McCain for reasons I&#8217;ve made clear, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m going to ignore the fact that Obama/Biden are wrong on most economic issues, wrong on international trade, and, in some cases, just plain wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am far less concerned about Biden&#039;s position on economic issues (where Dems are supposed to be bad) than I am about his positions on foreign policy and civil liberties issues (where Dems are supposed to be good).  I would point out that McCain is pretty weak where Republicans are supposed to be good since he has quite the penchant for regulation and nanny statism.  I suppose he&#039;s theoretically better on taxes, except that his commitment to continued massive defense spending and foreign adventurism make his position on taxes essentially meaningless since spending is the only number that really matters (i.e., deficit spending is no different from a tax hike of an equivalent amount since deficit spending incurs interest).  

All of which is to say that I&#039;d rather someone who is going to waste a boatload of money on ill-conceived entitlements here at home than someone who is going to waste an equal boatload of money on ill-conceived invasions of foreign countries that make the unintended consequences of entitlement spending look mild by comparison.  

Of course, I&#039;d far prefer a certain third party candidate to either.  But as long as the Republican nominee insists on hemoragging money at a rate equal to or greater than the Dem nominee, I don&#039;t see a lick of difference between the two on most economic issues (the one exception being that McCain&#039;s health care proposal is definitely preferable to Obama&#039;s, which was itself preferable to most Dem proposals).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am far less concerned about Biden&#8217;s position on economic issues (where Dems are supposed to be bad) than I am about his positions on foreign policy and civil liberties issues (where Dems are supposed to be good).  I would point out that McCain is pretty weak where Republicans are supposed to be good since he has quite the penchant for regulation and nanny statism.  I suppose he&#8217;s theoretically better on taxes, except that his commitment to continued massive defense spending and foreign adventurism make his position on taxes essentially meaningless since spending is the only number that really matters (i.e., deficit spending is no different from a tax hike of an equivalent amount since deficit spending incurs interest).  </p>
<p>All of which is to say that I&#8217;d rather someone who is going to waste a boatload of money on ill-conceived entitlements here at home than someone who is going to waste an equal boatload of money on ill-conceived invasions of foreign countries that make the unintended consequences of entitlement spending look mild by comparison.  </p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;d far prefer a certain third party candidate to either.  But as long as the Republican nominee insists on hemoragging money at a rate equal to or greater than the Dem nominee, I don&#8217;t see a lick of difference between the two on most economic issues (the one exception being that McCain&#8217;s health care proposal is definitely preferable to Obama&#8217;s, which was itself preferable to most Dem proposals).</p>
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