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	<title>Comments on: Libertarians Who Don&#8217;t Respect Property Rights</title>
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		<title>By: HOA Parking Comittee</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59820</link>
		<dc:creator>HOA Parking Comittee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I struggle with the this, but I agree with: &quot;This is a private organization and this guy signed a contract when he bought property in this community. He needs to respect the rules and stop whining.&quot;
Our HOA has limited on street parking. CCRs say any 2 cars in garage first, then any 2 cars in driveway, THEN you apply for an on-street permit that includes a garage inspection, if you have more cars. Improvements preventing 2 cars in garage are not an excuse. 
The purpose here is that everyone here (and their guests) is entitled to equal and fair access to the on-street common area. If a garage is full of stuff, it pushes cars on-street which reduces the available spaces for everyone else. (Also, if one home is allowed to violate the garage CCRs, then everyone else should too- then you have chaos.)
Rules of contract. Abide, change, or move; but don&#039;t violate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggle with the this, but I agree with: &#8220;This is a private organization and this guy signed a contract when he bought property in this community. He needs to respect the rules and stop whining.&#8221;<br />
Our HOA has limited on street parking. CCRs say any 2 cars in garage first, then any 2 cars in driveway, THEN you apply for an on-street permit that includes a garage inspection, if you have more cars. Improvements preventing 2 cars in garage are not an excuse.<br />
The purpose here is that everyone here (and their guests) is entitled to equal and fair access to the on-street common area. If a garage is full of stuff, it pushes cars on-street which reduces the available spaces for everyone else. (Also, if one home is allowed to violate the garage CCRs, then everyone else should too- then you have chaos.)<br />
Rules of contract. Abide, change, or move; but don&#8217;t violate.</p>
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		<title>By: freewheeler</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59817</link>
		<dc:creator>freewheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be clear, I was referring to the original post on Lew&#039;s site as maybe lacking relevance. But, I think she would agree with you that the HOA has that right, it was merely a social observation, IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, I was referring to the original post on Lew&#8217;s site as maybe lacking relevance. But, I think she would agree with you that the HOA has that right, it was merely a social observation, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59815</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I got the impression that the blogger didn&#039;t understand the purpose of HOAs and why having those rules is usually a good idea.

Frankly, I don&#039;t want to live in a community where people keep rusted vehicle on cement blocks in the front yard, decorate their flower beds with pink flamingos, or paint their house purple.

As for relevance, I see it as a matter of property rights and the sanctity of contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I got the impression that the blogger didn&#8217;t understand the purpose of HOAs and why having those rules is usually a good idea.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t want to live in a community where people keep rusted vehicle on cement blocks in the front yard, decorate their flower beds with pink flamingos, or paint their house purple.</p>
<p>As for relevance, I see it as a matter of property rights and the sanctity of contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: freewheeler</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59814</link>
		<dc:creator>freewheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug, 

My point is, I don&#039;t think the blogger was suggesting they cannot make their own rules. There is nothing inherently unlibertarian about this post, as long as they do not pursue compulsury intervention to change it. 

She was making a connection between common character traits of the ruling class and the &quot;power mongering, petty, little tyrants&quot; that often run HOAs. She acknowledges that it is a private organization, but is nonetheless frustrated with the desire of some people to create needless, excessive (in her mind) rules as a means to control others.  

I personally do not think this is really relevant on a political commentary site, but that is another matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>My point is, I don&#8217;t think the blogger was suggesting they cannot make their own rules. There is nothing inherently unlibertarian about this post, as long as they do not pursue compulsury intervention to change it. </p>
<p>She was making a connection between common character traits of the ruling class and the &#8220;power mongering, petty, little tyrants&#8221; that often run HOAs. She acknowledges that it is a private organization, but is nonetheless frustrated with the desire of some people to create needless, excessive (in her mind) rules as a means to control others.  </p>
<p>I personally do not think this is really relevant on a political commentary site, but that is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59813</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[freewheeler,

What part of &lt;strong&gt;the HOA is a private organization that should be entitled to make it&#039;s own rules&lt;/strong&gt; don&#039;t you get ?

The only libertarian position on this issue is to say that someone who enters into a contractual relationship should be aware of the terms they are agreeing to and should not be able to re-write the contract after they find out it applies to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freewheeler,</p>
<p>What part of <strong>the HOA is a private organization that should be entitled to make it&#8217;s own rules</strong> don&#8217;t you get ?</p>
<p>The only libertarian position on this issue is to say that someone who enters into a contractual relationship should be aware of the terms they are agreeing to and should not be able to re-write the contract after they find out it applies to them.</p>
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		<title>By: freewheeler</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59812</link>
		<dc:creator>freewheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yeah, you know the rules when you move in.&quot;

The author mentions this in her post. It is not so much un-libertarian as it is just some venting. Just because you are a libertarian does not mean you can&#039;t take exception with social issues. 

Granted, I don&#039;t know how much value the post has on Lew&#039;s site, as it does not seem to involve any compulsion. But then again, what is the purpose of this post on this site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yeah, you know the rules when you move in.&#8221;</p>
<p>The author mentions this in her post. It is not so much un-libertarian as it is just some venting. Just because you are a libertarian does not mean you can&#8217;t take exception with social issues. </p>
<p>Granted, I don&#8217;t know how much value the post has on Lew&#8217;s site, as it does not seem to involve any compulsion. But then again, what is the purpose of this post on this site?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59809</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inquisitor,

Since Rockwell reserves for himself the right to decide that other people --- specifically anyone who likes the Cato Institute or Reason Magazine --- isn&#039;t a libertarian, then I deserve to question his bona fides as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquisitor,</p>
<p>Since Rockwell reserves for himself the right to decide that other people &#8212; specifically anyone who likes the Cato Institute or Reason Magazine &#8212; isn&#8217;t a libertarian, then I deserve to question his bona fides as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59808</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pepe,

If he doesn&#039;t like the rules then he has choices. He can get involved in his community and try to change the rules (trust me, its not hard for someone sufficiently motivated to get what they want from an HOA) or he can move.

This is a private organization and this guy signed a contract when he bought property in this community. He needs to respect the rules and stop whining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pepe,</p>
<p>If he doesn&#8217;t like the rules then he has choices. He can get involved in his community and try to change the rules (trust me, its not hard for someone sufficiently motivated to get what they want from an HOA) or he can move.</p>
<p>This is a private organization and this guy signed a contract when he bought property in this community. He needs to respect the rules and stop whining.</p>
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		<title>By: Pepe Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59807</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepe Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hillbilly Cadillac in question is supposed to be a Ford F150 pickup. The problem for most people is others are allowed to park their Lincolns, Cadillac Escalades, and other higher end trucks and SUVs outside, while this man is being forced to &quot;hide&quot; his Ford in the garage. They&#039;re trying to portray the neighborhood as something other than what it is. 

I live in an older neighborhood in the city of Dallas. We have an optional neighborhood association, but many of our friends and family that live in the suburbs are forced to join the neighborhood association - including paying some expensive dues. I personally think the first amendment guarantees the freedom to not assemble, as well as the freedom to assemble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hillbilly Cadillac in question is supposed to be a Ford F150 pickup. The problem for most people is others are allowed to park their Lincolns, Cadillac Escalades, and other higher end trucks and SUVs outside, while this man is being forced to &#8220;hide&#8221; his Ford in the garage. They&#8217;re trying to portray the neighborhood as something other than what it is. </p>
<p>I live in an older neighborhood in the city of Dallas. We have an optional neighborhood association, but many of our friends and family that live in the suburbs are forced to join the neighborhood association &#8211; including paying some expensive dues. I personally think the first amendment guarantees the freedom to not assemble, as well as the freedom to assemble.</p>
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		<title>By: The Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59805</link>
		<dc:creator>The Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And he is a libertarian. There is no &quot;claims&quot; to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he is a libertarian. There is no &#8220;claims&#8221; to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59804</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well in that respect yes, Lew Rockwell is a publisher, and he claims to be a libertarian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in that respect yes, Lew Rockwell is a publisher, and he claims to be a libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasBlair</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59803</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasBlair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

&lt;i&gt;is lew rockwell a self professed libertarian pub?&lt;/i&gt;

With &quot;pub&quot; presumably meaning &quot;publisher&quot;, oilnwater isn&#039;t claiming he wrote it, but that he published it.

So, is Lew Rockwell a self-professed libertarian publisher?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p><i>is lew rockwell a self professed libertarian pub?</i></p>
<p>With &#8220;pub&#8221; presumably meaning &#8220;publisher&#8221;, oilnwater isn&#8217;t claiming he wrote it, but that he published it.</p>
<p>So, is Lew Rockwell a self-professed libertarian publisher?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59797</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oilnwater,

Rockwell isn&#039;t even the author of the post I linked to.

Get on topic, ok ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oilnwater,</p>
<p>Rockwell isn&#8217;t even the author of the post I linked to.</p>
<p>Get on topic, ok ?</p>
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		<title>By: oilnwater</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59795</link>
		<dc:creator>oilnwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is lew rockwell a self professed libertarian pub?  if not, what does any of this matter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is lew rockwell a self professed libertarian pub?  if not, what does any of this matter?</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/08/25/libertarians-who-dont-respect-property-rights/#comment-59789</link>
		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, not twice in one day. First the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128241.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;guns in parking lots&lt;/a&gt;&quot; rebellion* and now this? That&#039;s way too much unlibertarian &quot;libertarianism&quot; for me.

(*Just to be clear, Chapman&#039;s right and his critics are idiots.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, not twice in one day. First the &#8220;<a href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128241.html" rel="nofollow">guns in parking lots</a>&#8221; rebellion* and now this? That&#8217;s way too much unlibertarian &#8220;libertarianism&#8221; for me.</p>
<p>(*Just to be clear, Chapman&#8217;s right and his critics are idiots.)</p>
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