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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike,

Thanks for the recommendation.  I just read the link and I think I might need to pick that one up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Thanks for the recommendation.  I just read the link and I think I might need to pick that one up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/09/17/happy-anti-federalist-day/#comment-60225</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read &quot;The Hologram of Liberty&quot; for how Hamilton really screwed us.

http://www.javelinpress.com/hologram_of_liberty.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read &#8220;The Hologram of Liberty&#8221; for how Hamilton really screwed us.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.javelinpress.com/hologram_of_liberty.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.javelinpress.com/hologram_of_liberty.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Style of this confederacy shall be &#039;The United States of America&#039;&quot;. - Articles of Confederation, Article I.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Style of this confederacy shall be &#8216;The United States of America&#8217;&#8221;. &#8211; Articles of Confederation, Article I.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brad - Great post!  Like Emily, I&#039;m going to hunt down a copy of that book.

Steve - I really need to question your use of the phrase &quot;out-of-balance capitalism&quot;.  The cause of this entire mess we find ourselves in has been Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two entities of government whose mission has been to &quot;un-learn&quot; the lessons of credit and the Great Depression.  To the extent that our capitalist system is ill and out-of-balance, it is so because we failed to heed the warnings of the Anti-Federalists.

The right solution would be to now heed their advice and find away to transition to a post Fannie/Freddie economy.  Sadly, with the two parties in charge now, this won&#039;t happen.  Of course, that&#039;s another warning from the Founding Fathers we failed to heed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; Great post!  Like Emily, I&#8217;m going to hunt down a copy of that book.</p>
<p>Steve &#8211; I really need to question your use of the phrase &#8220;out-of-balance capitalism&#8221;.  The cause of this entire mess we find ourselves in has been Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two entities of government whose mission has been to &#8220;un-learn&#8221; the lessons of credit and the Great Depression.  To the extent that our capitalist system is ill and out-of-balance, it is so because we failed to heed the warnings of the Anti-Federalists.</p>
<p>The right solution would be to now heed their advice and find away to transition to a post Fannie/Freddie economy.  Sadly, with the two parties in charge now, this won&#8217;t happen.  Of course, that&#8217;s another warning from the Founding Fathers we failed to heed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/09/17/happy-anti-federalist-day/#comment-60115</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen,

The Constitution is a pretty good document.  I would point out, though, that Madison and Hamilton both envisioned the end of individual state sovereignty.  They wanted a national government that had wide-ranging powers that would allow such things as the federal government to flat out veto state laws, etc.  Many of the positive features of the Constitution were wrought by those who were trying desperately to retain the powers and character of individual States while still centralizing some functions.  As an example, Madison&#039;s original plan asked for direct election of Senators, as well as for them to be apportioned via population rather than equally.  He didn&#039;t want the States to be a brake on the power of the central government.  Hamilton, in my opinion, was even farther down the line.  He was a national-greatness empire builder.  

In addition, the 9th and 10th Amendments, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, were pushed by the anti-Federalists and the Constitution likely wouldn&#039;t have been adopted without an explicit Bill of Rights.

Would liberty today be better or worse?  I&#039;m not sure.  Some would argue that the Articles of Confederation would have made it impossible for us to fight off Europe or open the west, or even that it would have eventually led to wars of conquest between the States.  We won&#039;t know if that&#039;s the case.  We could have ended up like Europe, a collection of individual statist localities instead of a combined statist nation spanning ocean-to-ocean.  Of course, now Europe has the EU, which seems to be attempting to follow the lead from Articles of Confederation to a more Constitution-like setup...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>The Constitution is a pretty good document.  I would point out, though, that Madison and Hamilton both envisioned the end of individual state sovereignty.  They wanted a national government that had wide-ranging powers that would allow such things as the federal government to flat out veto state laws, etc.  Many of the positive features of the Constitution were wrought by those who were trying desperately to retain the powers and character of individual States while still centralizing some functions.  As an example, Madison&#8217;s original plan asked for direct election of Senators, as well as for them to be apportioned via population rather than equally.  He didn&#8217;t want the States to be a brake on the power of the central government.  Hamilton, in my opinion, was even farther down the line.  He was a national-greatness empire builder.  </p>
<p>In addition, the 9th and 10th Amendments, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, were pushed by the anti-Federalists and the Constitution likely wouldn&#8217;t have been adopted without an explicit Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>Would liberty today be better or worse?  I&#8217;m not sure.  Some would argue that the Articles of Confederation would have made it impossible for us to fight off Europe or open the west, or even that it would have eventually led to wars of conquest between the States.  We won&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the case.  We could have ended up like Europe, a collection of individual statist localities instead of a combined statist nation spanning ocean-to-ocean.  Of course, now Europe has the EU, which seems to be attempting to follow the lead from Articles of Confederation to a more Constitution-like setup&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I’m probably more aligned with Madison, Jefferson, and (in some respects) Paine than Henry. I still view the U.S. Constitution as the best founding document in history with respect to life, liberty, and property (the problem has less to do with the Constitution than the fact it isn’t followed).   

Henry did raise some very good objections to the idea of a strong federal government, however. Much of his concerns have been realized in the 221 years since the Constitution’s approval by the convention. I do not for a moment believe that Madison et al would be happy with how incredibly huge the federal government currently is. 

I would also point out though, that had Henry had his way, the state of liberty today would probably be as bad, if not worse, than it is now (though this is something we could never know for sure). I think that Jefferson said it best: “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.” This is true no matter how carefully a government is organized or however many checks and balances are put into place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I’m probably more aligned with Madison, Jefferson, and (in some respects) Paine than Henry. I still view the U.S. Constitution as the best founding document in history with respect to life, liberty, and property (the problem has less to do with the Constitution than the fact it isn’t followed).   </p>
<p>Henry did raise some very good objections to the idea of a strong federal government, however. Much of his concerns have been realized in the 221 years since the Constitution’s approval by the convention. I do not for a moment believe that Madison et al would be happy with how incredibly huge the federal government currently is. </p>
<p>I would also point out though, that had Henry had his way, the state of liberty today would probably be as bad, if not worse, than it is now (though this is something we could never know for sure). I think that Jefferson said it best: “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.” This is true no matter how carefully a government is organized or however many checks and balances are put into place.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is instructive to receive such an interesting and envigorating thought piece. This may be the day that opens history&#039;s strongest assault on the very document that is the indelible behest of the long-dead to an extraordinarily fortunate people.  I believe we soon will learn whether the Law that shields, guides, and justifies us as a free nation may weather a test of proof from its ideological handmaiden, a seriously ill economy.
 We HAVE a republic, as Franklin noted, and his following remark: &quot;If we can keep it&quot; is as valid now as then. After a while, when the fog of out-of-balance capitalism disperses a little, perhaps we will see what is workable among the residue.  I suspect we may find scapegoats and slick admen, actuaries and attorneys, and the weeping wounded alongside people who have no interest in Wall Street, and who will harvest their annual yield as usual.  Only the audience will be different, and the need for nourishment unchanged (perhaps except for its expense).
 Constitution Day reminds us that, as Mother occasionally reminded: &quot;Sometimes, we must accept things we don&#039;t like.&quot;
 One thing is for certain: If the Basic Law is as good as we brag to the rest of Humanity, we will find our way back to the future we hold in our dreams - and will proceed from there.
 Ever-cynical Mankind will look on, hoping the dream does not have have a surprise ending --  as a nightmare.
 I don&#039;t think it will be a monster dream, but I believe we, as a nation, may be sent to bed tonight, without supper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is instructive to receive such an interesting and envigorating thought piece. This may be the day that opens history&#8217;s strongest assault on the very document that is the indelible behest of the long-dead to an extraordinarily fortunate people.  I believe we soon will learn whether the Law that shields, guides, and justifies us as a free nation may weather a test of proof from its ideological handmaiden, a seriously ill economy.<br />
 We HAVE a republic, as Franklin noted, and his following remark: &#8220;If we can keep it&#8221; is as valid now as then. After a while, when the fog of out-of-balance capitalism disperses a little, perhaps we will see what is workable among the residue.  I suspect we may find scapegoats and slick admen, actuaries and attorneys, and the weeping wounded alongside people who have no interest in Wall Street, and who will harvest their annual yield as usual.  Only the audience will be different, and the need for nourishment unchanged (perhaps except for its expense).<br />
 Constitution Day reminds us that, as Mother occasionally reminded: &#8220;Sometimes, we must accept things we don&#8217;t like.&#8221;<br />
 One thing is for certain: If the Basic Law is as good as we brag to the rest of Humanity, we will find our way back to the future we hold in our dreams &#8211; and will proceed from there.<br />
 Ever-cynical Mankind will look on, hoping the dream does not have have a surprise ending &#8212;  as a nightmare.<br />
 I don&#8217;t think it will be a monster dream, but I believe we, as a nation, may be sent to bed tonight, without supper.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a fantastic post! I will have to get a copy of that book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic post! I will have to get a copy of that book.</p>
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