This has been suggested and tried many times over the last thirty years. The problem is that besides the vast ideological gulf, there is the problem of who are going to be the “kingfish” of the New Party.

Right now each party and each political action group has their own set of “big fish in a small pond” and with their own mailing lists of donors. They are not going to give up their positions and/or salaries for the greater good.

Until we change this system we cannot get any substantial traction.

Ron Paul because he was inside the 2 is a magic number system was able to get exposure. Even then the system marginalized him and use 88 as a weapon against him.

Until we change ballot access laws, get a fair exposure in the press, and reform our 1st past the post election system we are doomed. We need two of those three in order to make substantial progress against the tide of bigger is better when it comes to our Federal Government.

Until then this purity haranguing is just a bitch session.

This statist continues to spew venom on Ron Paul in every press conference and tells those of that support him, that clearly we are delusional (or must be) because Paul is so obviously wrong. Way to win friends and influence people.

Barr then goes on to say how much we need “leaders” like him.

How many ways can I say this? Barr is not a libertarian, and has no idea what a libertarian is. On the one hand you have Ron Paul who says he does not want the job because he wants to rule you, he wants the job to get rid of some of the laws and restore liberty. On the other, we have a pompous jerk who can’t wait to get his hands on power and tell everyone what to do because he is such a powerful leader.

Libertarians don’t want leaders. We want to be left alone. Another word for leader – ruler. Let’s not kid ourselves. How many libs do you know lining up looking for the best ruler.

If Barr can’t even get the basics right, then why on earth should any libertarian support him? He is a sham, a clown, a fake, a phony, a fraud, pretending, playing a role, etc. etc. etc.

I was a lib long before Ron Paul ran this time and I will probably always be a lib. That is why I cannot let the LP get away with putting a neo-con up for the nomination. If we support Barr, we get more like him next time.

Worst yet, if Barr somehow gets more votes than past lib candidates we can kiss the LP goodbye. They will choose posers like him from now on.

You and I know it won’t make a bit of difference if you vote lib this year. No one will notice – except the LP. Tell them that you are not a sheep. You will not vote for any crock of dung they dish out. Either pick a libertarian or change the name of your party.

Vote as a write in. It will still count as “other” (in most states) so the people can see you don’t like the silly choices, but do not support neo-con CIA men who love power and can’t wait to wield it over you.

Baldwin, I am afraid, is worse. He is sexist, racist, and a bigot. Those are not names, they are facts. Read his website. Subjugation for all women. All brown people ought to be shot on sight. The Internet ought to be controlled by the government because it contains porn and adults should not be allowed to view such content. Homosexuals are deviant humans who do not tow the line and must not be allowed to marry. And no one has a right to put what they want in their body and this drug war ought to go on destroying America. If that is the kind of man you want in office, then what on earth did you see in Ron Paul? (He is hurt and angry, so forgive him for making a rotten choice, but don’t take this choice seriously. It was made in anger, or Ron Paul has never meant a thing he ever said. I choose to believe the former.) Oh, and Baldwin is against free trade. Very libertarian….not. This is not theory, or guesses, or me being cruel, I went to Baldwin’s website and read it. He is the one that says all these things. Not me.

Those are the two choices. And a few other Socialists.

So, your choice? None of the above. At least write it in, so that you are not seen as apathetic by not voting. Wouldn’t it be great if McCain got 22%, Obama 22% and other 56%?

I’m not wild about the religious platform of the CP, but at least I think Chuck Baldwin means what he says, and most of what he says mirrors Ron Paul pretty closely. Barr has had to contort himself quite a bit to explain his record, and Root is a disaster in my book. If the LP candidate were Ruwart or Philles or Kubby, I would NOT be having this conversation. I’m not voting for Baldwin because Dr. Paul wants me to, I’d already been leaning in that direction since the end of the primary season. I haven’t been so unhappy with an LP candidate before. The press conference debacle was just icing on the cake. I still think Ron Paul meant what he said about each of us who is for liberty making our own choice among the third party candidates, and I agree with that. Barr is the best option in some states (California comes to mind), but not all of them, at least in my mind. Seriously, the best we can hope for is to do so much damage to the GOP that they are forced to re-evaluate where they stand. There was a time when the Republican Party was largely with us. We have a shot at making that happen again, especially with the bailout crisis. Ron saw this coming, and people are taking notice. Even on Fox news!

We did have an impact this year. 260 Paul supporters were at the GOP Convention, and we snatched up a lot of party positions at the state and local level already. We took second in several states. I think the numbers are amazing compared to where we were 2 years ago.

This is the best chance Libertarians have EVER had to get on the political map, due in large part to Ron Paul, but he is not running any more. Barr has made tactical mistakes and handled the Oct 10 press conference poorly, but his policy positions are largely correct.

He’s not going to win the election, but if we come together this year we can build on our success in years to come.

On another note I do agree that the Ron Paul movement became something of a cult of personality, but unlike say Josef Stalin, RP did actively try to create a cult of personality around him… it just happened.

I honestly think Ron Paul squandered his power backing Baldwin.

Those Who Put Their Faith In Words Will Always Be Deceived.

Baldwin is on board with getting rid of THE FUNNY MONEY SYSTEM. This in my opinion is why Ron Paul endorsed him over the others. Even the Dull can see and feel its ramifications now.

Do Not Be Part Of The Club Of Corruption.

Divided We Fall, Again.

The Mission – Write a new charter for a New Party.

Combine the similarities of all the third parties into this charter. All the DIFFERENCES will not be written in to the charter. Nothing that is not agreed to by 3/4 of the congress makes it in to the charter.

With this done there can be unity and victory.

We can argue the details and the “Who Best Represents” in the internals.

Stop The Bickering Over The Perception Of Labels.

Ron Paul has the greatest following because he has so many essays and position papers to reference. This Is Invaluable. People are looking for reality now.

Nothing better than taking away the bread to bring acute focus that things were not as they appeared.

The Baldwin endorsement is a real head scratcher for me. You may notice that I did not include the Constitution Party among the people and organizations which advance the cause of liberty. Constitution Party is a misnomer if there ever was one (as you pointed out their party platform is very much at odds with individual liberty). As somone(who happens to be an atheist for what its worth)who recognizes that the U.S. Constitution is and always has been a secular contract between the government and the people, I simply cannot support the Constituion Party ticket. CP members have a perverted view of the Constitution.