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		<title>By: Bob D</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61152</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think that absent the newsletter scandal and a couple of other skeletons in his closet Ron Paul could have won the election for the Republicans.&quot;


If you really believe that (and I don&#039;t think you do, the rest of you article demonstrates an intelligent mind) you need a reality check.

Obama&#039;s skeletons didn&#039;t effect him. The media and AIPAC has shut Ron Paul out for more than 30 years, what makes you think he could have overcome that? Who was the last presidential candidate who did? Eisenhower?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that absent the newsletter scandal and a couple of other skeletons in his closet Ron Paul could have won the election for the Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you really believe that (and I don&#8217;t think you do, the rest of you article demonstrates an intelligent mind) you need a reality check.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s skeletons didn&#8217;t effect him. The media and AIPAC has shut Ron Paul out for more than 30 years, what makes you think he could have overcome that? Who was the last presidential candidate who did? Eisenhower?</p>
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		<title>By: Persnickety Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61023</link>
		<dc:creator>Persnickety Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greetings from a fellow Curmudgeon

OK so now we&#039;ve rejected Democratic Tax-and-Spend, Republican Borrow-and-Spend in favor of Liberal TAX-AND-BORROW-AND-SPEND. It&#039;s probablt too late but someday we&#039;ll all realize that the problem with government is that IT IS THE 
SPENDING STUPID!

Rememeber no matter who is in office - anything they do is about the votes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from a fellow Curmudgeon</p>
<p>OK so now we&#8217;ve rejected Democratic Tax-and-Spend, Republican Borrow-and-Spend in favor of Liberal TAX-AND-BORROW-AND-SPEND. It&#8217;s probablt too late but someday we&#8217;ll all realize that the problem with government is that IT IS THE<br />
SPENDING STUPID!</p>
<p>Rememeber no matter who is in office &#8211; anything they do is about the votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61020</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine if Obomba had tried to use that he is just like Gorge Bush shit on Ron Paul. He would of looked like an idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if Obomba had tried to use that he is just like Gorge Bush shit on Ron Paul. He would of looked like an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: RobbBond</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61013</link>
		<dc:creator>RobbBond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure you&#039;re right about that, Rocketman. You may see the same tired neo-con ideas in the short-term, but I&#039;ve seen a lot of fed-up Republicans who are desperate to see a rise in non-Rino candidates within their ranks. Now, their social positions might be the same, but I think more and more are realizing (especially within the current economic climate) that limited government and sound fiscal policy are the ways to achieve the majority once again and should be stressed long-term. Believe me, if they trot out a candidate like McCain against Obama this next time, they are going to get their clocks cleaned. I think most of them realize that. I&#039;m not saying Ron Paul will be nominated (let&#039;s be honest, he&#039;s probably burned too many bridges), but I think the atmosphere in four years time will be perfect for the rise of a Paul-esque figure who can clearly contrast his ideas with Obama&#039;s overreaching Socialist agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;re right about that, Rocketman. You may see the same tired neo-con ideas in the short-term, but I&#8217;ve seen a lot of fed-up Republicans who are desperate to see a rise in non-Rino candidates within their ranks. Now, their social positions might be the same, but I think more and more are realizing (especially within the current economic climate) that limited government and sound fiscal policy are the ways to achieve the majority once again and should be stressed long-term. Believe me, if they trot out a candidate like McCain against Obama this next time, they are going to get their clocks cleaned. I think most of them realize that. I&#8217;m not saying Ron Paul will be nominated (let&#8217;s be honest, he&#8217;s probably burned too many bridges), but I think the atmosphere in four years time will be perfect for the rise of a Paul-esque figure who can clearly contrast his ideas with Obama&#8217;s overreaching Socialist agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocketman</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61010</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocketman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The republican leaders who are now meeting will rather do anything than follow the advice of Paul because, let&#039;s face it, there is nothing in it for them.  They might give lip service to it but that will be all.  Paul advocates less government and more individual freedom.  They will keep pulling out the same old tired neo-con ideas and trying to repackage them until and unless a third party like the LIBERTARIANS become a major party and start cutting into their votes numbers.  I have no hope for them and I have not hope long term for this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The republican leaders who are now meeting will rather do anything than follow the advice of Paul because, let&#8217;s face it, there is nothing in it for them.  They might give lip service to it but that will be all.  Paul advocates less government and more individual freedom.  They will keep pulling out the same old tired neo-con ideas and trying to repackage them until and unless a third party like the LIBERTARIANS become a major party and start cutting into their votes numbers.  I have no hope for them and I have not hope long term for this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61006</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I firmly believe that Ron Paul could fix this country and would have beaten Obama.

It wasn&#039;t ALLOWED to be heard, however.

From Dec 26, 2007 to Super Tuesday his name was mentioned on the prime time channels a grand total of 5 times versus 1000 for McCain.

He was under a media blackout.

Exhibit A:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1694094,00.html

Cover Story of Time magazine.  Why is it Ron Paul isn&#039;t in the picture or mentioned in the story once?

No one talked about him and if they did it was derisive.  This was universal on every major outlet and talk show.

Even Rush Limbaugh avoided him like the plague.

What people fail to believe is that the system is rigged.  Regardless of who wins, nothing changes.

Government will continue its overspending.
The US will continue to put its nose in other countries business.
Our Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.

So now that people have been brought to such an emotional height, in 3 years there may finally be a window of realization what a scam it is.

Or not.

Either way, many of us have been show the emperor has no clothes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly believe that Ron Paul could fix this country and would have beaten Obama.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t ALLOWED to be heard, however.</p>
<p>From Dec 26, 2007 to Super Tuesday his name was mentioned on the prime time channels a grand total of 5 times versus 1000 for McCain.</p>
<p>He was under a media blackout.</p>
<p>Exhibit A:<br />
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1694094,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1694094,00.html</a></p>
<p>Cover Story of Time magazine.  Why is it Ron Paul isn&#8217;t in the picture or mentioned in the story once?</p>
<p>No one talked about him and if they did it was derisive.  This was universal on every major outlet and talk show.</p>
<p>Even Rush Limbaugh avoided him like the plague.</p>
<p>What people fail to believe is that the system is rigged.  Regardless of who wins, nothing changes.</p>
<p>Government will continue its overspending.<br />
The US will continue to put its nose in other countries business.<br />
Our Congress is bought and paid for by lobbyists.</p>
<p>So now that people have been brought to such an emotional height, in 3 years there may finally be a window of realization what a scam it is.</p>
<p>Or not.</p>
<p>Either way, many of us have been show the emperor has no clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/11/06/could-ron-paul-have-won/#comment-61005</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Jono to a certain extent. And trust me I love Ron Paul&#039;s message voted for him in the primaries, and wrote him in on Election Day. But I believe his ultimate fall was the Iraq war. Don’t get me wrong now, what he was saying was 100% correct but the way it came out offended a lot of people. Not me, but enough that the media trounced him after that. Take Obama on the other hand. He mentioned frequently that he voted against the war, but he never used to harshness of tone about it that Paul did. He said we made the wrong decisions. 

I think his campaign could have went a lot better if he would have mentioned that he voted against the war, and will do everything to bring our troops home. He should have denounced the truther idiots sooner and get away from that bunch completely, they will not get you elected. 

He should have just hammered on what he’s best at the economy. Still though it’s almost impossible for someone like Paul to win because Obama and McCain had massive backing. Paul had us, we were small but loud. We all know he was the right guy for the job, but the massive want to be spoon-fed crap, and that my friends is unfortunately how you win the presidency. And Paul isn’t that kind of man.

I’d love to see him run for Governor or the Senate now though; he might have a good shot. And in the end he did start a movement it’s up to us to continue it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jono to a certain extent. And trust me I love Ron Paul&#8217;s message voted for him in the primaries, and wrote him in on Election Day. But I believe his ultimate fall was the Iraq war. Don’t get me wrong now, what he was saying was 100% correct but the way it came out offended a lot of people. Not me, but enough that the media trounced him after that. Take Obama on the other hand. He mentioned frequently that he voted against the war, but he never used to harshness of tone about it that Paul did. He said we made the wrong decisions. </p>
<p>I think his campaign could have went a lot better if he would have mentioned that he voted against the war, and will do everything to bring our troops home. He should have denounced the truther idiots sooner and get away from that bunch completely, they will not get you elected. </p>
<p>He should have just hammered on what he’s best at the economy. Still though it’s almost impossible for someone like Paul to win because Obama and McCain had massive backing. Paul had us, we were small but loud. We all know he was the right guy for the job, but the massive want to be spoon-fed crap, and that my friends is unfortunately how you win the presidency. And Paul isn’t that kind of man.</p>
<p>I’d love to see him run for Governor or the Senate now though; he might have a good shot. And in the end he did start a movement it’s up to us to continue it.</p>
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		<title>By: sherrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a principled person should not have to give up or pretend not to have those principles when trying to get a point across. ron paul is brilliant especially when it comes to economics. one of the main issues he wanted all to realize is that you cannot deal with the economic issues of this country without addressing our foreign policy and he has been proven right. early on none of the other candidates even thought it necessary to discuss the economy much. by election day connecting the two still didn&#039;t seem to be understood by obama or mccain. i think this is only because both mccain and obama are truly working for corporate america as opposed to working for the people. the never ending war will continue to be never ending no matter which one of these two made it in to the white house because it all comes down to money and greed. someone with the integrity of a ron paul was not allowed to appear viable for the presidency even though he would have been the best person for the job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a principled person should not have to give up or pretend not to have those principles when trying to get a point across. ron paul is brilliant especially when it comes to economics. one of the main issues he wanted all to realize is that you cannot deal with the economic issues of this country without addressing our foreign policy and he has been proven right. early on none of the other candidates even thought it necessary to discuss the economy much. by election day connecting the two still didn&#8217;t seem to be understood by obama or mccain. i think this is only because both mccain and obama are truly working for corporate america as opposed to working for the people. the never ending war will continue to be never ending no matter which one of these two made it in to the white house because it all comes down to money and greed. someone with the integrity of a ron paul was not allowed to appear viable for the presidency even though he would have been the best person for the job.</p>
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		<title>By: trumpetbob15</title>
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		<dc:creator>trumpetbob15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jono,

I watched the first few primary debates and I have to disagree.  Ron Paul made quite a few mistakes, but the main one I saw was to focus too much on opposition to the Iraq War.  Every chance he got to speak, he mentioned foreign policy.  That isn&#039;t the way to win, primary or otherwise.  Sure, the Ron Paul Republicans would be a good thing, but focusing on the areas where conservative Republicans and Ron Paul Republicans agree would be a better strategy.  There is still common ground in the Republican Party; liberty minded folks just need to find it and use that to branch out into areas of disagreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jono,</p>
<p>I watched the first few primary debates and I have to disagree.  Ron Paul made quite a few mistakes, but the main one I saw was to focus too much on opposition to the Iraq War.  Every chance he got to speak, he mentioned foreign policy.  That isn&#8217;t the way to win, primary or otherwise.  Sure, the Ron Paul Republicans would be a good thing, but focusing on the areas where conservative Republicans and Ron Paul Republicans agree would be a better strategy.  There is still common ground in the Republican Party; liberty minded folks just need to find it and use that to branch out into areas of disagreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Could Ron Paul Have Won? &#124; Ron Paul War Room</title>
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		<dc:creator>Could Ron Paul Have Won? &#124; Ron Paul War Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, Obama was always going to win, he is really an untested media sensation, very articulate, almost like a motivational coach. And somehow he created the perception that he was the anti-Bush.

But as for judging Ron Paul, lets not waste words or look for the finer details whilst we overlook the main issue. 

The Republican Party is stacked with the most extreme supporters, a bunch of social conservatives forming a cheer squad with a 5 second attention span more suited to the short speeches of Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani.

Ron Paul, although a bit too old and past his prime, makes a very sound candidate.

He couldn&#039;t get past the primaries, couldn&#039;t muster a significant vote, and he was deeply resented by the party faithful and media hacks who didnt invite him to participate in the debates. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, the Democrats are stacked with celebrities and mindless zombie Obama followers who went into full tear-shedding mode this week.

But the Republican Party, those who determine who the candidate will be, need to be infiltrated by &quot;Ron Paul Republicans&quot; or at least sober minded, liberty lovers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Obama was always going to win, he is really an untested media sensation, very articulate, almost like a motivational coach. And somehow he created the perception that he was the anti-Bush.</p>
<p>But as for judging Ron Paul, lets not waste words or look for the finer details whilst we overlook the main issue. </p>
<p>The Republican Party is stacked with the most extreme supporters, a bunch of social conservatives forming a cheer squad with a 5 second attention span more suited to the short speeches of Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani.</p>
<p>Ron Paul, although a bit too old and past his prime, makes a very sound candidate.</p>
<p>He couldn&#8217;t get past the primaries, couldn&#8217;t muster a significant vote, and he was deeply resented by the party faithful and media hacks who didnt invite him to participate in the debates. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the Democrats are stacked with celebrities and mindless zombie Obama followers who went into full tear-shedding mode this week.</p>
<p>But the Republican Party, those who determine who the candidate will be, need to be infiltrated by &#8220;Ron Paul Republicans&#8221; or at least sober minded, liberty lovers.</p>
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		<title>By: nicolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing that really turned me on about Paul was how his voting record reflected the principles he espoused in such a minute way. Voting not to give Reagan and Rosa Parks medals at taxpayer&#039;s expense, for example. Even though he could have voted yea, and gone unnoticed in that regard, he chose to abide by his principles. Without that kind of record, I don&#039;t see myself supporting someone who simply speaks the same way as Ron Paul. If there is another national politician that has a similar record, I would love to know who they are so we can begin to throw our support in their direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that really turned me on about Paul was how his voting record reflected the principles he espoused in such a minute way. Voting not to give Reagan and Rosa Parks medals at taxpayer&#8217;s expense, for example. Even though he could have voted yea, and gone unnoticed in that regard, he chose to abide by his principles. Without that kind of record, I don&#8217;t see myself supporting someone who simply speaks the same way as Ron Paul. If there is another national politician that has a similar record, I would love to know who they are so we can begin to throw our support in their direction.</p>
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		<title>By: RobbBond</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobbBond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, you know I see a lot of doom and gloom from pro-limited government types with the incoming Socialist regime, but actually this could be an exciting time because libertarianism will be the antithesis of what has been offered for the past 8 years and definitely what will be offered for the next four. With the economic hardships that look to bedevil us for the next few years, libertarianism could be in a strong position to make the case against increasing government intrusions. The key will be packaging. In our current two-party system, I feel the best way to go about this is through the Republican party with Paul types (or others). Speaking of which, how old is Paul? Are there any other younger politicians with his same ideas/principles which could be looked to to lead the inevitable call for limited government?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you know I see a lot of doom and gloom from pro-limited government types with the incoming Socialist regime, but actually this could be an exciting time because libertarianism will be the antithesis of what has been offered for the past 8 years and definitely what will be offered for the next four. With the economic hardships that look to bedevil us for the next few years, libertarianism could be in a strong position to make the case against increasing government intrusions. The key will be packaging. In our current two-party system, I feel the best way to go about this is through the Republican party with Paul types (or others). Speaking of which, how old is Paul? Are there any other younger politicians with his same ideas/principles which could be looked to to lead the inevitable call for limited government?</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually Karl Rove agreed with you on some of this. He said that the Republicans lost because they did not articulate coffee table issues. He said that the issues that were part of the McCain platform were not important to most Americans. Paul would likely agree with this. I saw some interesting info on the bailout at: http://www.thebailoutblog.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Karl Rove agreed with you on some of this. He said that the Republicans lost because they did not articulate coffee table issues. He said that the issues that were part of the McCain platform were not important to most Americans. Paul would likely agree with this. I saw some interesting info on the bailout at: <a href="http://www.thebailoutblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebailoutblog.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: RobbBond</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobbBond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think circumstances proved to be the undoing of the Paul campaign. The natural nemesis for Paul was the current administration of George Bush. He rightly pointed out the various flaws in the Bush policies of governing. The problem was that Bush was the leader of the very party that Paul chose to run in. His constant criticism of Bush (rightly or wrongly) grated on the nerves of most Republicans who were at least nominally still loyal to Bush. I really think the Paul campaign would have been in a far stronger position had their main nemesis been a Democrat in the White House. This is why I believe that Paul (or another libertarian style Republican) could be in a strong position to make a run in 2012. This coming Socialist state could be the perfect ingredient to galvanize a libertarian-Republican movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think circumstances proved to be the undoing of the Paul campaign. The natural nemesis for Paul was the current administration of George Bush. He rightly pointed out the various flaws in the Bush policies of governing. The problem was that Bush was the leader of the very party that Paul chose to run in. His constant criticism of Bush (rightly or wrongly) grated on the nerves of most Republicans who were at least nominally still loyal to Bush. I really think the Paul campaign would have been in a far stronger position had their main nemesis been a Democrat in the White House. This is why I believe that Paul (or another libertarian style Republican) could be in a strong position to make a run in 2012. This coming Socialist state could be the perfect ingredient to galvanize a libertarian-Republican movement.</p>
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