Comments on: Is It Time To Take “Under God” Out Of The Pledge Of Allegiance ? http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:11:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Travis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62266 Travis Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:47:20 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62266 Heidi, please read this for me. It makes a good argument. http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ http://godisimaginary.com/ Heidi, please read this for me. It makes a good argument.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

http://godisimaginary.com/

]]> By: Heidi http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62229 Heidi Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:45 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62229 under god will NOT be taken out of the pledge. God is real is to be recognized, everyone will see it with their very own eyes. hes love and thats what we all need=] under god will NOT be taken out of the pledge. God is real is to be recognized, everyone will see it with their very own eyes. hes love and thats what we all need=]

]]> By: Heidi http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62228 Heidi Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:07 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62228 under god will NOT be taken out of the pledge. God is real is to be recognized, everyone will see it with their very own eyes. hes love and thats what we all need[even those who dont believe] under god will NOT be taken out of the pledge. God is real is to be recognized, everyone will see it with their very own eyes. hes love and thats what we all need[even those who dont believe]

]]> By: Akston http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62176 Akston Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:44:50 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62176 Yeah, I'm going to back away from my last post on this thread. It was an attempt to get religious folks to see how insulting "under God" might be to other folks who don't share the belief. In that attempt, I appear to legitimize the concept of the oath in the first place. For the record, I don't. I agree with Joshua and coyote: loyalty oaths to the state are not compatible with liberty. Yeah, I’m going to back away from my last post on this thread. It was an attempt to get religious folks to see how insulting “under God” might be to other folks who don’t share the belief.

In that attempt, I appear to legitimize the concept of the oath in the first place. For the record, I don’t.

I agree with Joshua and coyote: loyalty oaths to the state are not compatible with liberty.

]]> By: Joshua Holmes http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62172 Joshua Holmes Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:54:30 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62172 ObTopic: Free societies do not have loyalty oaths to the state. ObTopic: Free societies do not have loyalty oaths to the state.

]]> By: Akston http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62163 Akston Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:27:01 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62163 Just out of curiosity, I wonder how a deeply religious person would see it if we changed the pledge to: <blockquote>I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, one nation regardless of gods, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."</blockquote> Ridiculous? Insulting? Unnecessarily antagonistic to religious folks? How about: <blockquote>I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."</blockquote> Just out of curiosity, I wonder how a deeply religious person would see it if we changed the pledge to:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, one nation regardless of gods, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

Ridiculous? Insulting? Unnecessarily antagonistic to religious folks?

How about:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

]]> By: c.d. http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62162 c.d. Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:56:52 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62162 Well, the pledge was changed in 1954, "in god we trust" first appeared on paper money in 1957. Around that same time, "in god we trust" was legally mandated as our national motto. Here's the problem I have with that. I have 19 years, 4 months of Army and Army National Guard service under my belt, including trips to Kuwait, Bosnia, Thailand, Panama, and I'm heading for Iraq in less than two months, for an entire year, without my fmaily (wife, two kids). I love my country. I don't believe in relgion. Not in any way. I don't believe in the very conept of it. So to have "in god we trust" printed on our national currency is disgusting to me. Having the words "under god" in the pledge are offensive to me. And don't tell me "just tell your kids not to say it". You know how kids act, my kids would immediately get screwed with becuase they didn't say it. If your not part of the majority in this country, then your a no good nobody, who doesn't deserve the freedom that everyone else has. And that's the problem. Well, the pledge was changed in 1954, “in god we trust” first appeared on paper money in 1957. Around that same time, “in god we trust” was legally mandated as our national motto.

Here’s the problem I have with that. I have 19 years, 4 months of Army and Army National Guard service under my belt, including trips to Kuwait, Bosnia, Thailand, Panama, and I’m heading for Iraq in less than two months, for an entire year, without my fmaily (wife, two kids).

I love my country. I don’t believe in relgion. Not in any way. I don’t believe in the very conept of it. So to have “in god we trust” printed on our national currency is disgusting to me. Having the words “under god” in the pledge are offensive to me.

And don’t tell me “just tell your kids not to say it”. You know how kids act, my kids would immediately get screwed with becuase they didn’t say it. If your not part of the majority in this country, then your a no good nobody, who doesn’t deserve the freedom that everyone else has. And that’s the problem.

]]> By: Akston http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62156 Akston Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:10:24 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62156 <blockquote> Your average libertarian is waaay too Lockean in both Constitutional and societal philosophy, as well as politics, which is part of the reason why they seem so distasteful on the national stage. And they’ll never figure this out either.</blockquote> I wonder what the characteristics of being less Lockean would be. "Libertarians should be less interested in defending life, liberty and property?" It'd be easier to agree or disagree if the statement was phrased based on some positive goal to be achieved. Maybe: "Libertarians should check the national stage, and espouse whatever Constitutional and societal philosophy would make them more palatable on it." Or how about: "Libertarians should be willing to pledge more allegiances."

Your average libertarian is waaay too Lockean in both Constitutional and societal philosophy, as well as politics, which is part of the reason why they seem so distasteful on the national stage. And they’ll never figure this out either.

I wonder what the characteristics of being less Lockean would be.
“Libertarians should be less interested in defending life, liberty and property?”

It’d be easier to agree or disagree if the statement was phrased based on some positive goal to be achieved. Maybe: “Libertarians should check the national stage, and espouse whatever Constitutional and societal philosophy would make them more palatable on it.” Or how about: “Libertarians should be willing to pledge more allegiances.”

]]> By: fsdfasd http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62150 fsdfasd Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:41:42 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62150 Your average libertarian is waaay too Lockean in both Constitutional and societal philosophy, as well as politics, which is part of the reason why they seem so distasteful on the national stage. And they'll never figure this out either. Your average libertarian is waaay too Lockean in both Constitutional and societal philosophy, as well as politics, which is part of the reason why they seem so distasteful on the national stage. And they’ll never figure this out either.

]]> By: TerryP http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62149 TerryP Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:35:25 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62149 Who gives a crop about the Pledge of Allegiance. When is that last time you said it. If you have a problem with the under God part and don't want your kids to say it just tell them not to say it. It's not like your kids are going to be sent to jail because they don't say under God. If your school has a problem with that then take it up with them. If there is any part that should be taken out, it is pledging allegiance to a flag. Why would anybody pledge allegiance to a flag. O mighty flag I am in your humble service and will do whatever you tell me! Our country was founded on freedom and we should not be pledging an allegiance to anyone or anything in the case of the flag. Who gives a crop about the Pledge of Allegiance. When is that last time you said it. If you have a problem with the under God part and don’t want your kids to say it just tell them not to say it. It’s not like your kids are going to be sent to jail because they don’t say under God. If your school has a problem with that then take it up with them.

If there is any part that should be taken out, it is pledging allegiance to a flag. Why would anybody pledge allegiance to a flag.

O mighty flag I am in your humble service and will do whatever you tell me!

Our country was founded on freedom and we should not be pledging an allegiance to anyone or anything in the case of the flag.

]]> By: Aimee http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62147 Aimee Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:43:32 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62147 For us atheists out there: "one nation under the flying spaghetti monster" For us atheists out there:
“one nation under the flying spaghetti monster”

]]> By: Akston http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62144 Akston Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:26:59 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62144 How about we change it to "one nation, under Zeus", or "one nation, under Allah", or one nation, under <a href="http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/south_american-mythology.php?deity=BOCHICA" rel="nofollow">Bochica</a>? How about we change it to “one nation, under Zeus”, or “one nation, under Allah”, or one nation, under Bochica?

]]> By: Aimee http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62143 Aimee Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:52:33 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62143 The X in Xmas is just an quick and lazy way to spell it. Oh and I agree with Coyote, the whole thing should be done away with. If not, then absolutely under god should go bye-bye. It should never have been put there in the first place. The X in Xmas is just an quick and lazy way to spell it.

Oh and I agree with Coyote, the whole thing should be done away with. If not, then absolutely under god should go bye-bye. It should never have been put there in the first place.

]]> By: Joshua Holmes http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62131 Joshua Holmes Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:29:51 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62131 X is an abbreviation for Christ. It is the Greek letter Chi, the first letter of Christ in Greek. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_rho X is an abbreviation for Christ. It is the Greek letter Chi, the first letter of Christ in Greek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_rho

]]> By: Travis http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/12/04/is-it-time-to-take-under-god-out-of-the-pledge-of-allegience/#comment-62127 Travis Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:55:15 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=3303#comment-62127 The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.~ George Washington Administration Treaty The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.~ George Washington Administration Treaty

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