Comments on: DHS Report: “…has likely spurred African Americans—as well as law-abiding Americans…”

By: John

John — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:26:20 +0000

The fact that there are groups out there classified as “hate” groups smacks of thought crime.

By: Rightwing Extremist Chatter | The Classic Liberal Blog

Rightwing Extremist Chatter | The Classic Liberal Blog — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:18:48 +0000

[...] DHS Report: “…has likely spurred African Americans-as well as law-abiding Americans…” [...]

By: Eric Dondero

Eric Dondero — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:37:09 +0000

Weasel Weigel is a Democrat open supporter of Barack Hussein Obama. How this guy ever got the label “libertarian,” is a complete mystery. He’s an authoritarian supporter in every regard, who writes for an ultra-Fascist on-line publication The Washington Examiner.

Stephen, PLEASE stop calling this douchebag a libertarian.

By: I’m Still NOT a Conspiracy Theorist | Bearing Drift :: Virginia Politics and Podcasts

Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:04 +0000

[...] The Liberty Papers, a libertarian blog that hosts this report makes some good points. Law enforcement should consider crime potential from hate groups – and there is nothing wrong with analyzing historic patterns. Where DHS crossed the line in this report is by separating “rightwing extremists” from “law-abiding Americans.” As in: Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time. [...]

By: VRB

VRB — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:42:38 +0000

Stephen,
I assumed extremist meant someone who would might do violence in the modern vernacular. Your analogy might stand if they said rightwing white people, ideologues or persons.

I found one definition that stated that an extremist would use violence.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/extremist

By: Frank H

Frank H — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:41:22 +0000

Wonder if DHS will report on the infiltration of the military by the bloods and crips.

Try googling bloods crips military.

By: John

John — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:48:10 +0000

David,

You are missing the point. The original did not say “people who will commit violence as well as law abiding Americans” it said “rightwing extremists—as well as law-abiding Americans—”. The implication is clearly that rightwing extremists are not law abiding Americans. Replacing rightwing extremists with African Americans was done to make the implication more clear. He could have said butterfly collectors instead, but would not have had the same impact.

By: David

David — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:06:28 +0000

“What would the public reaction be if I had written “…has likely spurred African Americans—as well as law-abiding Americans…”?”

You make up a phony-baloney, make-believe, strawman hypothesis and then go on as it if true.

It doesn’t say African Americans it says rightwing extremest.

Many law abiding citizen are buying up ammo because they fear President Obama is going outlaw guns.

It’s a baseless fear hyped by the rightwing echochamer, but it’s not a crime to legally stockpile ammo.

They are talking about rightwing extremist who would do violence to our American government or it’s officials.

With it’s large ratings, all the Obama and liberal bashing on Fox News, it’s a power keg waiting to happen.

They are talking about people who would commit violence.

By: memomachine

memomachine — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:52:22 +0000

Hmmmm.

That’s not a “gun show”. It’s a “shoot”. The difference is that the weapons on display are not for sale to the general public.

There is a vast difference between the two.

By: Chief

Chief — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:23:18 +0000

What exactly does the Obama Administration fear? This is a preemptive character assasination of patriotic, Christian, conservatives that qoutes a few sparatic incidents. It also points out major failures of the Janette Reno/Clinton Adminstration, does that mean we are in for more Ruby Ridge/Waco type activity?
This article is very anti-white, example it speaks of militias, neo-nazi’s and white extremists as using the military as a training ground. Yet says nothing about the very real problem we’ve experienced with gangs joining the militry for that exact purpose. The gangs in question are almost all “minorities” or of non-U.S. citizenship. Many are forth right in using military service as a stepping stone to achieving a quicker route to a much desired and deserved inclusion as a U.S. citizen. Many “white”, christian, patriotic families have a tradition of service. The true experience of the USMC is that the problems are far, far greater with gang recruitment than white supremists. Any reaction (charges) to true criminal activity of a “minority” is always scutinized by the Equal Opportunity officer, usually because that is the first defense by that individual. If the same crime is done by a white then full speed ahead, even if that charge was brought by a non-white. This article has that same attitude of “lets not anger our highers”. In this case everyone knows that for which this Commander-in-Chief’s” administration is looking, which is why the words, “the first African American President…” are repeated. Is this the criminal’s preempitive defense? This is exactly what the former govenor of Arizona would want written and smacks of some brown noser trying to get ahead, unless you believe the patterns this new executive branch has established. Of course this report is “news worthy” and the one of the extreme left is not.

By: southernjames

southernjames — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:04:12 +0000

I went to my very first gun show in February, in Florida. It was huge – held in a County civic center – there must have been thousands of people there.

I suppose just like a friend of mine who had never attended a church service at any mainstream (e.g, say a Catholic or Lutheran) parish had a lot of pre-conceived notions about what goes on inside a church, based on what he had read about or what he has seen those bible thumping evangalists do on t.v., and who was then very surprised when he went to a Mass….

I too had pre-conceived stereo-typed notions about what a gun show would be like. I was half expecting to experience the Dueling Banjos scene from Deliverance.

But I was surprised. Other than it being more white than our local population demographics are (I’d say it was around 90% white, and our local population is I think around 70-75% white), the people wandering around looking at stuff, buying stuff, signing up for concealed carry classes, etc, were just your average cross section of middle class America. Old, young, white collar, blue collar, rural, urban, etc. Well, there were a lot of hunter types, looking at hunting stuff. I did overhear a few conversational exchanges about whether ammo will be taxed throught the roof by Obama, etc. Some anxiety about his intentions.

But I did not see any “angry” sentiments on display. And amazingly enough, although NRA had a table there (aka “right wing extremist group”) I was not recruited by any survivalist militia groups, and just could not locate the neo-nazi Timmy McVeigh table to save my life.