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	<title>Comments on: DHS Responds To Uproar Over Report On &#8220;Right Wing Extremism&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65331</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to be clear, the comment above was not written by me, the guy that established TLP a couple years ago. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, the comment above was not written by me, the guy that established TLP a couple years ago. </p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65328</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim McVeigh might have started with militias, but he ended in league with Al &quot;There Is No Terrorist Threat&quot; Qaeda and Iraqi agents.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=0345FF37-588D-4C0A-B298-CE29F9DD0D58 

Keep the focus where it belongs or you&#039;ll have an even worse repeat the Clinton years:
While Tim McVeigh and Al-Qaeda were busily razing America, Clinton&#039;s FBI &quot;&#039;was charged with determining whether there was a nationwide conspiracy to commit acts of violence against reproductive health care providers.&#039; The more than 900 targets of all this surveillance included the Christian Coalition, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Women’s Coalition for Life, Feminists for Life, Americans United for Life, the 600,000-member Concerned Women for America, the National Rifle Association, the American Life League, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, and even then-Roman Catholic Cardinal of New York John O’Connor.&quot; 
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=112C46BB-EA83-4B57-AC4D-F67A85B0BB18]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim McVeigh might have started with militias, but he ended in league with Al &#8220;There Is No Terrorist Threat&#8221; Qaeda and Iraqi agents.<br />
<a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=0345FF37-588D-4C0A-B298-CE29F9DD0D58" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=0345FF37-588D-4C0A-B298-CE29F9DD0D58</a> </p>
<p>Keep the focus where it belongs or you&#8217;ll have an even worse repeat the Clinton years:<br />
While Tim McVeigh and Al-Qaeda were busily razing America, Clinton&#8217;s FBI &#8220;&#8216;was charged with determining whether there was a nationwide conspiracy to commit acts of violence against reproductive health care providers.&#8217; The more than 900 targets of all this surveillance included the Christian Coalition, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Women’s Coalition for Life, Feminists for Life, Americans United for Life, the 600,000-member Concerned Women for America, the National Rifle Association, the American Life League, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, and even then-Roman Catholic Cardinal of New York John O’Connor.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=112C46BB-EA83-4B57-AC4D-F67A85B0BB18" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=112C46BB-EA83-4B57-AC4D-F67A85B0BB18</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65267</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike,

I did that.  I would clarify a bit on Doug&#039;s statement.

Fox News and Rush Limbaugh linked &lt;strong&gt;directly&lt;/strong&gt; to the document.  They did not link to the blog post which contained a link to the document.  They did not in any way mention that the document was sourced from The Liberty Papers.  They simply used our bandwidth rather than putting a copy of this on their own servers.

This site is normally pretty cheap to operate.  The level of traffic -- UNATTRIBUTED traffic -- turned a site that would typically cost less than a dollar a day to operate into $25+ per day.  By my back-of-the-envelope calculation, somewhere around 100,000 people over the last two days downloaded that report.  If every one of the visitors who downloaded that report actually read Stephen Gordon&#039;s original posting, I would be happy and would gladly pay to host the bandwidth.  But they didn&#039;t, they were referred directly to the document by Fox and Rush.

As far as I can tell, Fox has now fixed this on their end.  They have updated their links and are hosting the document themselves.  Rush, on the other hand, still has it on his front page.  You can click over there and look at the lack of attribution, and let me know what you think of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I did that.  I would clarify a bit on Doug&#8217;s statement.</p>
<p>Fox News and Rush Limbaugh linked <strong>directly</strong> to the document.  They did not link to the blog post which contained a link to the document.  They did not in any way mention that the document was sourced from The Liberty Papers.  They simply used our bandwidth rather than putting a copy of this on their own servers.</p>
<p>This site is normally pretty cheap to operate.  The level of traffic &#8212; UNATTRIBUTED traffic &#8212; turned a site that would typically cost less than a dollar a day to operate into $25+ per day.  By my back-of-the-envelope calculation, somewhere around 100,000 people over the last two days downloaded that report.  If every one of the visitors who downloaded that report actually read Stephen Gordon&#8217;s original posting, I would be happy and would gladly pay to host the bandwidth.  But they didn&#8217;t, they were referred directly to the document by Fox and Rush.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, Fox has now fixed this on their end.  They have updated their links and are hosting the document themselves.  Rush, on the other hand, still has it on his front page.  You can click over there and look at the lack of attribution, and let me know what you think of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65264</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, 

What you don&#039;t understand is that it&#039;s considered bad form to hot link to a document on someone else&#039;s server, sending thousands of people there and thus increasing the strain on the server&#039;s bandwidth and, in some cases, the hosting costs (which are often based on bandwidth).

Fox News and Limbaugh have much bigger server capacity than we do, they could&#039;ve hosted the document on their own site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>What you don&#8217;t understand is that it&#8217;s considered bad form to hot link to a document on someone else&#8217;s server, sending thousands of people there and thus increasing the strain on the server&#8217;s bandwidth and, in some cases, the hosting costs (which are often based on bandwidth).</p>
<p>Fox News and Limbaugh have much bigger server capacity than we do, they could&#8217;ve hosted the document on their own site.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65262</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Followed a link to your site after Googling the infamous report and was greeted with this:

&quot;Hotlinking content is bad internet karma.
Shame on you, Fox News. Shame on you, Rush Limbaugh.
You have servers and advertisers. I pay this out of pocket. Get your own damn
bandwidth.&quot;

I don&#039;t know if that was your site or if you were hacked.  If you were hacked, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised.  If you guys did that, you suck and are part of the same old party / faction / splinter shit that&#039;s damn near ruined this country.

If you can&#039;t share information and common grievances against the left, you&#039;ll continue to wallow in uselessness.

Unreal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Followed a link to your site after Googling the infamous report and was greeted with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hotlinking content is bad internet karma.<br />
Shame on you, Fox News. Shame on you, Rush Limbaugh.<br />
You have servers and advertisers. I pay this out of pocket. Get your own damn<br />
bandwidth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that was your site or if you were hacked.  If you were hacked, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.  If you guys did that, you suck and are part of the same old party / faction / splinter shit that&#8217;s damn near ruined this country.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t share information and common grievances against the left, you&#8217;ll continue to wallow in uselessness.</p>
<p>Unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65239</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[trumpetbob,

I&#039;ve read the leftwing report (you can find it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;...  It&#039;s mainly about animal rights and environmental terrorists (with a little about &quot;anarchists&quot;).  What they point out, though, is that the lefties seem to be more and more drawn to cyber attacks...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trumpetbob,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the leftwing report (you can find it <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8230;  It&#8217;s mainly about animal rights and environmental terrorists (with a little about &#8220;anarchists&#8221;).  What they point out, though, is that the lefties seem to be more and more drawn to cyber attacks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheBad</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65236</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This report is the kind of thing that drives our country farther apart, and rightfully so. I personally think there should be a few jobs on the line here, starting with Janet Napolitano. There is clearly a political agenda being pushed here. After reading this report I would not blame anyone who feels they fall into one of the categories, which is about half or more of this country, to start stocking up on weapons and getting ready to defend themselves, against the government. Watch how the sell of weapons is going to keep going though the roof. History shows us that this is how fascism normally starts, and has led to the slaughter of hundreds of millions of people around the world. For a report like this to be put out by our government, there is no excuse for it. President Obama needs to do the right thing here, and step up to the plate, fire Ms Napolitano, and then apologize to everyone who was offended by this report, and let it be known that this will not be allowed on his Watch. Anything less will be taken as he agrees and supports it, and will continue to drive this country of ours farther apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report is the kind of thing that drives our country farther apart, and rightfully so. I personally think there should be a few jobs on the line here, starting with Janet Napolitano. There is clearly a political agenda being pushed here. After reading this report I would not blame anyone who feels they fall into one of the categories, which is about half or more of this country, to start stocking up on weapons and getting ready to defend themselves, against the government. Watch how the sell of weapons is going to keep going though the roof. History shows us that this is how fascism normally starts, and has led to the slaughter of hundreds of millions of people around the world. For a report like this to be put out by our government, there is no excuse for it. President Obama needs to do the right thing here, and step up to the plate, fire Ms Napolitano, and then apologize to everyone who was offended by this report, and let it be known that this will not be allowed on his Watch. Anything less will be taken as he agrees and supports it, and will continue to drive this country of ours farther apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin L. Reisterer</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65228</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin L. Reisterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that the FBI found that McVeigh had no ties to the Michigan Militia, despite what was widely reported.  I could be wrong, but I swear this came out at some point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that the FBI found that McVeigh had no ties to the Michigan Militia, despite what was widely reported.  I could be wrong, but I swear this came out at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65226</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

What inspired the majority of the &quot;militia movement&quot; was the abuses of power at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. 

Besides, McVeigh was expelled from the Michigan Militia before the bombings.

If DHS isn&#039;t careful, they could be causing the very thing they&#039;re scared about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>What inspired the majority of the &#8220;militia movement&#8221; was the abuses of power at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. </p>
<p>Besides, McVeigh was expelled from the Michigan Militia before the bombings.</p>
<p>If DHS isn&#8217;t careful, they could be causing the very thing they&#8217;re scared about.</p>
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		<title>By: trumpetbob15</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65221</link>
		<dc:creator>trumpetbob15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will wait for the &quot;Left-wing Report&quot; to be released discussing the nutjobs that blow up SUVs before I accept Homeland Security&#039;s excuse.  (Needless to say, I won&#039;t be holding my breath.)

It is always worth remembering that there is a perfectly legitimate way to revolt.  Provided you follow the guidelines outlined by Jefferson, Homeland Security cannot say anything, much as they might try to spin it their way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will wait for the &#8220;Left-wing Report&#8221; to be released discussing the nutjobs that blow up SUVs before I accept Homeland Security&#8217;s excuse.  (Needless to say, I won&#8217;t be holding my breath.)</p>
<p>It is always worth remembering that there is a perfectly legitimate way to revolt.  Provided you follow the guidelines outlined by Jefferson, Homeland Security cannot say anything, much as they might try to spin it their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65214</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, but it was during the time he was hanging out with the so-called Michigan Militia that he was introduced to such nonsense as The Turner Diaries]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but it was during the time he was hanging out with the so-called Michigan Militia that he was introduced to such nonsense as The Turner Diaries</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy H.</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/15/dhs-responds-to-uproar-over-report-on-right-wing-extremism/#comment-65212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[McVeigh did not get &quot;his start with the so-called militia movement.&quot; He &quot;got his start&quot; with the U.S. Army.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McVeigh did not get &#8220;his start with the so-called militia movement.&#8221; He &#8220;got his start&#8221; with the U.S. Army.</p>
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