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		<title>By: The Most Idiotic Protestors Of The Tea Parties in Pictures &#124; Prose Before Hos</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Most Idiotic Protestors Of The Tea Parties in Pictures &#124; Prose Before Hos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terry, I like your pond analogy almost as much as I like Bastiat&#039;s broken window story!!! That&#039;s a great analogy that really explains the concept of what is seen and what is not seen amazingly well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, I like your pond analogy almost as much as I like Bastiat&#8217;s broken window story!!! That&#8217;s a great analogy that really explains the concept of what is seen and what is not seen amazingly well.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryP</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/16/a-question-for-the-tea-partyers/#comment-65377</link>
		<dc:creator>TerryP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would also add ending all grants from the federal gov&#039;t.  

It never made much sense to me that we had to send money to the fed gov&#039;t, then write up a litany of paperwork (ie costing money and time) begging to get some of the money back, and then if you are lucky enough to get some of the money back it will come with many strings attached.  Why not just keep the money in your community in the first place.  This is also a big way they reward their special interest groups and make people that are receiveing the grants feel like they are getting something from the federal gov&#039;t.  To me though it is like filling a bucket of water on one side of the pond and then walking around to the other side losing some of the water as you go (drinking some and giving some to your cronies) and then pooring the remaining in the pond and telling the people just how much good you are doing in filling the pond, yet for some reason the pond just seems to be getting smaller all the time.  The politician then says just give me more control and I will fill it up even more, and we do, but the pond still just keeps getting smaller.  The politican just blames everyone else, but themselves.  At some point you would hope that we would figure it out, but there are many people who are having a bucket thrown in for them or their cause so they find it hard to give up that bucket not seeing the cost of all the other buckets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add ending all grants from the federal gov&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>It never made much sense to me that we had to send money to the fed gov&#8217;t, then write up a litany of paperwork (ie costing money and time) begging to get some of the money back, and then if you are lucky enough to get some of the money back it will come with many strings attached.  Why not just keep the money in your community in the first place.  This is also a big way they reward their special interest groups and make people that are receiveing the grants feel like they are getting something from the federal gov&#8217;t.  To me though it is like filling a bucket of water on one side of the pond and then walking around to the other side losing some of the water as you go (drinking some and giving some to your cronies) and then pooring the remaining in the pond and telling the people just how much good you are doing in filling the pond, yet for some reason the pond just seems to be getting smaller all the time.  The politician then says just give me more control and I will fill it up even more, and we do, but the pond still just keeps getting smaller.  The politican just blames everyone else, but themselves.  At some point you would hope that we would figure it out, but there are many people who are having a bucket thrown in for them or their cause so they find it hard to give up that bucket not seeing the cost of all the other buckets.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/16/a-question-for-the-tea-partyers/#comment-65367</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

That&#039;s why I picked easy ones just for starters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I picked easy ones just for starters.</p>
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		<title>By: Nylarthotep</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/16/a-question-for-the-tea-partyers/#comment-65335</link>
		<dc:creator>Nylarthotep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;All protests against spending that do not tell us how to reduce it are fatuous pieces of theater, not constructive acts of politics.&quot;

Hmm. Interesting if completely vapid in understanding that a protest in itself is an act of political maneuver. Protests tell the politicos that the peasantry, um excuse me, the citizenry are angry at their behavior. Providing a constructive alternative is not the mobs job. 

And as was aptly proven by the Obots election of the President Obama, they weren&#039;t forging a constructive answer to the politics of the last 8 years, but throwing the bums who didn&#039;t listen to them out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All protests against spending that do not tell us how to reduce it are fatuous pieces of theater, not constructive acts of politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm. Interesting if completely vapid in understanding that a protest in itself is an act of political maneuver. Protests tell the politicos that the peasantry, um excuse me, the citizenry are angry at their behavior. Providing a constructive alternative is not the mobs job. </p>
<p>And as was aptly proven by the Obots election of the President Obama, they weren&#8217;t forging a constructive answer to the politics of the last 8 years, but throwing the bums who didn&#8217;t listen to them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I used to think differently politically. I even used to say things that some might consider hypocritical. Stop worrying about excluding those you deem not pure enough, or too hypocritical, or whatever. Take a page from the books of successful revolutionaries. They allow folks travelling in their same direction to be part of the movement until they start to jeopardize the movement. 

Right now you need to build such a movement, not worry about purity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I used to think differently politically. I even used to say things that some might consider hypocritical. Stop worrying about excluding those you deem not pure enough, or too hypocritical, or whatever. Take a page from the books of successful revolutionaries. They allow folks travelling in their same direction to be part of the movement until they start to jeopardize the movement. </p>
<p>Right now you need to build such a movement, not worry about purity.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

As long as the movement doesn&#039;t include the hypocritical Republicans who helped get us into this mess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>As long as the movement doesn&#8217;t include the hypocritical Republicans who helped get us into this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; A Tea-Party Postscript</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/16/a-question-for-the-tea-partyers/#comment-65287</link>
		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; A Tea-Party Postscript</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Eric: Doug, I think that the group of people that pay 97% of all federal taxes (that would be the top 50% of income... [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug, I think that the group of people that pay 97% of all federal taxes (that would be the top 50% of income earners) have been fine with things so long as they saw their standard of living improving, taxes staying (relatively) low, etc. Now that group of people sees their &quot;way of life&quot; jeopardized. 

If that continues, I think they will have the stomach for it because, frankly, they aren&#039;t the people impacted by cutting things like military welfare for Europe, Dept of Education, Health &amp; Human Services, etc. 

Honestly, before you can be for something new you have to be against something that already exists. It&#039;s the only way to move most people out of their conservative state. 

FYI, the American Revolution was never supported by as much as 50% of the colonists. I believe the numbers were more like 10 to 20 percent. You could bring about huge change in this country with 20 percent of the population backing you. Most Republicans and Democrats go along with the herd that they identify with. Obama was able to get elected with much less than that portion of the population actively backing him. 

So, the real issue is that the people most likely to take action and have the stomach for that action are the ones who, up till now, felt comfortable with where things were. Or, rather, not too uncomfortable. As more of the population edges towards being &quot;too uncomfortable&quot;, things will change. THat is, for example, how the populist overthrows of East Germany, Czechoslovakia and the USSR happened. 

I think you ought to stop sneering at the &quot;populist&quot; movements and start figuring out how to create one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I think that the group of people that pay 97% of all federal taxes (that would be the top 50% of income earners) have been fine with things so long as they saw their standard of living improving, taxes staying (relatively) low, etc. Now that group of people sees their &#8220;way of life&#8221; jeopardized. </p>
<p>If that continues, I think they will have the stomach for it because, frankly, they aren&#8217;t the people impacted by cutting things like military welfare for Europe, Dept of Education, Health &amp; Human Services, etc. </p>
<p>Honestly, before you can be for something new you have to be against something that already exists. It&#8217;s the only way to move most people out of their conservative state. </p>
<p>FYI, the American Revolution was never supported by as much as 50% of the colonists. I believe the numbers were more like 10 to 20 percent. You could bring about huge change in this country with 20 percent of the population backing you. Most Republicans and Democrats go along with the herd that they identify with. Obama was able to get elected with much less than that portion of the population actively backing him. </p>
<p>So, the real issue is that the people most likely to take action and have the stomach for that action are the ones who, up till now, felt comfortable with where things were. Or, rather, not too uncomfortable. As more of the population edges towards being &#8220;too uncomfortable&#8221;, things will change. THat is, for example, how the populist overthrows of East Germany, Czechoslovakia and the USSR happened. </p>
<p>I think you ought to stop sneering at the &#8220;populist&#8221; movements and start figuring out how to create one.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d start by cutting anything to do with global warming (I would not cut programs working to clean up the environment, particularly with regard to the messes from previous bad ideas. But see below.

I cut any spending that is not authorized by open legislation where the reasons for the spending were fully debated.

I would cut any funding where the majority of the legislators voting for it can not pass a college-level written examination inquiring about the reasons for, beneficiaries of, and expected outcomes from the legislation.  (&quot;Pass&quot; means more that 75% correct.)

I would cut funding for any &quot;non-government&quot; agency.

I would cut funding to many program that has run for more than 5 years unless re-enacted.

Then I would hope that I had had time to find the really big chunks of waste and go after them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d start by cutting anything to do with global warming (I would not cut programs working to clean up the environment, particularly with regard to the messes from previous bad ideas. But see below.</p>
<p>I cut any spending that is not authorized by open legislation where the reasons for the spending were fully debated.</p>
<p>I would cut any funding where the majority of the legislators voting for it can not pass a college-level written examination inquiring about the reasons for, beneficiaries of, and expected outcomes from the legislation.  (&#8220;Pass&#8221; means more that 75% correct.)</p>
<p>I would cut funding for any &#8220;non-government&#8221; agency.</p>
<p>I would cut funding to many program that has run for more than 5 years unless re-enacted.</p>
<p>Then I would hope that I had had time to find the really big chunks of waste and go after them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen

Except for the DoE, those are the easy ones (although cutting off aid to Israel is likely the other third rail of American politics)

I just question whether the public as a whole has a stomach for what needs to be done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen</p>
<p>Except for the DoE, those are the easy ones (although cutting off aid to Israel is likely the other third rail of American politics)</p>
<p>I just question whether the public as a whole has a stomach for what needs to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Alabama Tea Party Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Alabama Tea Party Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Stephen Gordon: For immediate starters: No more bailouts or stimulus packages Eliminate the Department of Education... [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For immediate starters:

No more bailouts or stimulus packages

Eliminate the Department of Education

Eliminate military welfare for countries like Germany and Japan

Then the list gets very long, indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For immediate starters:</p>
<p>No more bailouts or stimulus packages</p>
<p>Eliminate the Department of Education</p>
<p>Eliminate military welfare for countries like Germany and Japan</p>
<p>Then the list gets very long, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug, before the North American colonists really figured out what they were FOR, as a group, they figured out what they were AGAINST. Read the pamphlets and look at the actions of the day during the pre-revolutionary era. I would argue that you are seeing something similar. I think TARP, ARRA, etc. are the modern equivalent of the Stamp Act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, before the North American colonists really figured out what they were FOR, as a group, they figured out what they were AGAINST. Read the pamphlets and look at the actions of the day during the pre-revolutionary era. I would argue that you are seeing something similar. I think TARP, ARRA, etc. are the modern equivalent of the Stamp Act.</p>
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		<title>By: tfr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tfr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Easy...
-about $1T in bank and &quot;financial institution&quot; bailouts.
-about $1T in pork projects, erroneously labeled a &quot;stimulus&quot;.
-Throw in a few measly $B for auto-maker bailouts.
Where to even begin on the rest?
-Dept of Agriculture - 99% of it.
-Education, Commerce
-Dept of Defense - what do we even need an F22 for? A WWII P47 or P51 could drop ordnance on a cave as easily, for about 1/100th the cost. Probably at least 75%.
-Labor, Energy, Transportation, FEMA
-&quot;aid&quot; to hundreds of recipients all over the world
etc. etc. etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy&#8230;<br />
-about $1T in bank and &#8220;financial institution&#8221; bailouts.<br />
-about $1T in pork projects, erroneously labeled a &#8220;stimulus&#8221;.<br />
-Throw in a few measly $B for auto-maker bailouts.<br />
Where to even begin on the rest?<br />
-Dept of Agriculture &#8211; 99% of it.<br />
-Education, Commerce<br />
-Dept of Defense &#8211; what do we even need an F22 for? A WWII P47 or P51 could drop ordnance on a cave as easily, for about 1/100th the cost. Probably at least 75%.<br />
-Labor, Energy, Transportation, FEMA<br />
-&#8221;aid&#8221; to hundreds of recipients all over the world<br />
etc. etc. etc.</p>
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