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	<title>Comments on: Gov. Rick Perry’s Tenth Amendment Stance: Principle or Political Pandering?</title>
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		<title>By: in exile</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/18/gov-rick-perry%e2%80%99s-tenth-amendment-stance-principle-or-political-pandering/#comment-66071</link>
		<dc:creator>in exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We’re prisoners of the corrupt “two party” duopoly that desperately wants to maintain business as usual: http://www.rangevote.net/

A change in the voting system would allow principled advocates(instead of the usual cynical pols) of state sovereignty to create a presence in state government. Electing one house of the state legislature by statewide Proportional Representation would create a permanent bloc of pro-Tenth Amendment legislators. Incredibly, when you actually have elected officials the general public takes you more seriously and even the MSM can’t entirely dismiss you.
http://www.proportional-representation.org/

You can be certain that almost all the incumbent politicians are simply posturing on this issue and looking for a chance to back down.

States like Montana that allow constitutional amendments through initiative and referendum can bypass the politicians and enact reforms like PR and Range Voting.
http://rangevoting.org/Duverger.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’re prisoners of the corrupt “two party” duopoly that desperately wants to maintain business as usual: <a href="http://www.rangevote.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rangevote.net/</a></p>
<p>A change in the voting system would allow principled advocates(instead of the usual cynical pols) of state sovereignty to create a presence in state government. Electing one house of the state legislature by statewide Proportional Representation would create a permanent bloc of pro-Tenth Amendment legislators. Incredibly, when you actually have elected officials the general public takes you more seriously and even the MSM can’t entirely dismiss you.<br />
<a href="http://www.proportional-representation.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.proportional-representation.org/</a></p>
<p>You can be certain that almost all the incumbent politicians are simply posturing on this issue and looking for a chance to back down.</p>
<p>States like Montana that allow constitutional amendments through initiative and referendum can bypass the politicians and enact reforms like PR and Range Voting.<br />
<a href="http://rangevoting.org/Duverger.html" rel="nofollow">http://rangevoting.org/Duverger.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: North Dakota&#8217;s &#8220;Secessionist&#8221; Resolution &#124; QandO</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/18/gov-rick-perry%e2%80%99s-tenth-amendment-stance-principle-or-political-pandering/#comment-65566</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dakota&#8217;s &#8220;Secessionist&#8221; Resolution &#124; QandO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Oklahoma  got the 10th Amendment push-back ball rolling, Montana advanced the ball several yards, Texas got into the game recently (albeit, too glibly), several other states are getting their shots in, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oklahoma  got the 10th Amendment push-back ball rolling, Montana advanced the ball several yards, Texas got into the game recently (albeit, too glibly), several other states are getting their shots in, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I assure you, southernjames, that whoever wins or loses the election does so regardless of what you do on Election Day.&quot;

What on earth is that supposed to mean?  What I do on Election day has no impact? 

What - my vote and the influence I may have on the votes of others around me, doesn&#039;t count? 

I live in Florida.  Do you recall how many votes separated Gore from Bush in 2000?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I assure you, southernjames, that whoever wins or loses the election does so regardless of what you do on Election Day.&#8221;</p>
<p>What on earth is that supposed to mean?  What I do on Election day has no impact? </p>
<p>What &#8211; my vote and the influence I may have on the votes of others around me, doesn&#8217;t count? </p>
<p>I live in Florida.  Do you recall how many votes separated Gore from Bush in 2000?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assure you, southernjames, that whoever wins or loses the election does so regardless of what you do on Election Day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assure you, southernjames, that whoever wins or loses the election does so regardless of what you do on Election Day.</p>
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		<title>By: Topics about Stephen-smith &#187; Comment on Gov. Rick Perry’s Tenth Amendment Stance: Principle or&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topics about Stephen-smith &#187; Comment on Gov. Rick Perry’s Tenth Amendment Stance: Principle or&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] STEPHEN LENDMAN added an interesting post today on Comment on Gov. Rick Perry&#226; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Huffington post didn&#039;t seem so upset by succession when it was Howie Dean and the Vermonters talking it up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/good-
magazine/vermont-most-likely-to-s_b_84820.html

I guess it&#039;s jist when sum o&#039; dem unedumacated rednecks brings it up, it becomes a concern.

Sure there is plenty of hypocrisy all around.  But Republicans transforming themselves into big government Democrats AFTER they got power is one of the main reasons if not the primary reason they are OUT of power now, and why people like Gingrich of Contract with America fame, are now widely distrusted by conservatives, and why Republican politicians get booed at Tea Parties. 

If you &#039;Tarians would stop lumping together conservatives who usually end up holding their noses and voting for the Republican candidate because the only (viable, as in, can actually win) alternative is the Euro-Socialist Party candidate, with the Republican Party itself, you&#039;d make some big strides in building alliances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Huffington post didn&#8217;t seem so upset by succession when it was Howie Dean and the Vermonters talking it up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/good-" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/good-</a><br />
magazine/vermont-most-likely-to-s_b_84820.html</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s jist when sum o&#8217; dem unedumacated rednecks brings it up, it becomes a concern.</p>
<p>Sure there is plenty of hypocrisy all around.  But Republicans transforming themselves into big government Democrats AFTER they got power is one of the main reasons if not the primary reason they are OUT of power now, and why people like Gingrich of Contract with America fame, are now widely distrusted by conservatives, and why Republican politicians get booed at Tea Parties. </p>
<p>If you &#8216;Tarians would stop lumping together conservatives who usually end up holding their noses and voting for the Republican candidate because the only (viable, as in, can actually win) alternative is the Euro-Socialist Party candidate, with the Republican Party itself, you&#8217;d make some big strides in building alliances.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/18/gov-rick-perry%e2%80%99s-tenth-amendment-stance-principle-or-political-pandering/#comment-65497</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miko, you’re absolutely right. The Democrats sounded remarkably libertarian (at least on civil rights issues) when they were out of power; now that they have the power they sound, well...like Democrats. 

The same holds true for the Republicans. Remember the Contract with America? How libertarian did they sound with that? But what happened when they gained the levers of Power? They didn’t seem so libertarian anymore! (and they sounded less libertarian in each congress). 

I think there is another Machiavellian philosophy both the Left and the Right share: “The ends justify the means.” It does not matter if the means are the courts, the ballot box, or the congress as long as their goals are accomplished. 

I guess I singled out the Left because I finished reading several Left wing blogs such as the Huffington Post on the whole secession issue. In their view it seems that only racist rednecks support secession and that the only government that counts is the federal government. Hell, if anything they would prefer the U.S. become part of a one world government because our federal government isn’t BIG enough!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miko, you’re absolutely right. The Democrats sounded remarkably libertarian (at least on civil rights issues) when they were out of power; now that they have the power they sound, well&#8230;like Democrats. </p>
<p>The same holds true for the Republicans. Remember the Contract with America? How libertarian did they sound with that? But what happened when they gained the levers of Power? They didn’t seem so libertarian anymore! (and they sounded less libertarian in each congress). </p>
<p>I think there is another Machiavellian philosophy both the Left and the Right share: “The ends justify the means.” It does not matter if the means are the courts, the ballot box, or the congress as long as their goals are accomplished. </p>
<p>I guess I singled out the Left because I finished reading several Left wing blogs such as the Huffington Post on the whole secession issue. In their view it seems that only racist rednecks support secession and that the only government that counts is the federal government. Hell, if anything they would prefer the U.S. become part of a one world government because our federal government isn’t BIG enough!</p>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course it&#039;s pandering.  It&#039;s what politicians do.  Of all stripes.  It&#039;s just a lot of hot air being blown to make a point.  So what?  But since nobody was hollering &quot;treason&quot; at Lt. Gov Howard Dean when he was moderating town hall meetings in Vermont about Vermont suceding, then let&#039;s all remember what was thrown in OUR faces for the past 8 years:

&quot;Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it&#8217;s pandering.  It&#8217;s what politicians do.  Of all stripes.  It&#8217;s just a lot of hot air being blown to make a point.  So what?  But since nobody was hollering &#8220;treason&#8221; at Lt. Gov Howard Dean when he was moderating town hall meetings in Vermont about Vermont suceding, then let&#8217;s all remember what was thrown in OUR faces for the past 8 years:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Knighton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Knighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been saying for the last couple of days on another blog that an attack on any freedom is an attack on all freedoms.  The same is very true on rights.  After the Tenth Amendment ceased being anything but the answer to a trivia question, the powers that be focused on others, such as the Second and Fourth Amendments.  The First Amendment as well.

I agree that nothing was &quot;settled&quot; about a state&#039;s right to succeed after the Civil War.  Instead, it was truly the beginning of the end of state sovereignty.  While I question Governor Perry&#039;s motives, I sincerely hope that Yertle is right and we have a solid ally in him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for the last couple of days on another blog that an attack on any freedom is an attack on all freedoms.  The same is very true on rights.  After the Tenth Amendment ceased being anything but the answer to a trivia question, the powers that be focused on others, such as the Second and Fourth Amendments.  The First Amendment as well.</p>
<p>I agree that nothing was &#8220;settled&#8221; about a state&#8217;s right to succeed after the Civil War.  Instead, it was truly the beginning of the end of state sovereignty.  While I question Governor Perry&#8217;s motives, I sincerely hope that Yertle is right and we have a solid ally in him.</p>
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		<title>By: Yertle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yertle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perry was a frequent critic of Bush&#039;s big spending, to answer your question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry was a frequent critic of Bush&#8217;s big spending, to answer your question.</p>
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		<title>By: Miko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;might makes right&quot;

It seems to me it&#039;s mainly right-wing conservatives that are complaining about courts upholding marriage rights and asserting that the issue should be settled by &quot;the will of the people&quot; and democracy.

A more accurate statement is that most people (left or right) support majority rule whenever they&#039;re part of the majority.  Conversely, most people sound remarkably like libertarians whenever they&#039;re in the minority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;might makes right&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me it&#8217;s mainly right-wing conservatives that are complaining about courts upholding marriage rights and asserting that the issue should be settled by &#8220;the will of the people&#8221; and democracy.</p>
<p>A more accurate statement is that most people (left or right) support majority rule whenever they&#8217;re part of the majority.  Conversely, most people sound remarkably like libertarians whenever they&#8217;re in the minority.</p>
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