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		<title>By: D Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66556</link>
		<dc:creator>D Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In her answer, she stated that Gay married was legal throughout the United States.  It&#039;s not even legal in California AND SHE&#039;S MISS CALIFORNIA!  When I first saw that clip I thought it was another Miss (&quot;Because most Americans don&#039;t have maps&quot;) Arizona type thing.  Think about it:  the &quot;National Organization for Marriage&quot; has brought in a spokesperson who doesn&#039;t understand the current laws on marriage in the United States!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In her answer, she stated that Gay married was legal throughout the United States.  It&#8217;s not even legal in California AND SHE&#8217;S MISS CALIFORNIA!  When I first saw that clip I thought it was another Miss (&#8220;Because most Americans don&#8217;t have maps&#8221;) Arizona type thing.  Think about it:  the &#8220;National Organization for Marriage&#8221; has brought in a spokesperson who doesn&#8217;t understand the current laws on marriage in the United States!</p>
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		<title>By: indygirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>indygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max in Maine: Your post sounds like you too are blaming everyone but the culprit.  She has harmed her own reputation.  

I sympathized with Prejean at first, I commended her for asserting her belief in the face of adversary.  Then came the backlash, and out came the truth.

Had she not lied on her contract, violated her contract, posed for nude photos and got a boob job and then claimed to be a christain who&#039;s decisions are guided by &quot;satan&quot;, apparently as it fits her own agenda, the arrogance of claiming she was already the winner of a pageant before it was decided, we would not even be talking about this anymore - she alone created the situation she is in but yet is blaming everyone but herself.
   
People are talking about this because she is supposed to be a “role model” for young women. Both Prejean and Trump have sent the message that it’s O.K. to lie and cheat, as long as you are blonde and beautiful - how many times did he say that exactly?  

That is why we are still paying attention - what will be next.

I wonder how this will affect one of Trump&#039;s major demographics and their support of his pageants -]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max in Maine: Your post sounds like you too are blaming everyone but the culprit.  She has harmed her own reputation.  </p>
<p>I sympathized with Prejean at first, I commended her for asserting her belief in the face of adversary.  Then came the backlash, and out came the truth.</p>
<p>Had she not lied on her contract, violated her contract, posed for nude photos and got a boob job and then claimed to be a christain who&#8217;s decisions are guided by &#8220;satan&#8221;, apparently as it fits her own agenda, the arrogance of claiming she was already the winner of a pageant before it was decided, we would not even be talking about this anymore &#8211; she alone created the situation she is in but yet is blaming everyone but herself.</p>
<p>People are talking about this because she is supposed to be a “role model” for young women. Both Prejean and Trump have sent the message that it’s O.K. to lie and cheat, as long as you are blonde and beautiful &#8211; how many times did he say that exactly?  </p>
<p>That is why we are still paying attention &#8211; what will be next.</p>
<p>I wonder how this will affect one of Trump&#8217;s major demographics and their support of his pageants -</p>
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		<title>By: indygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66551</link>
		<dc:creator>indygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you mean defamation - libel is when the statement is written and slander is oral - to be guilty of libel or slander, to put it simply, you must:
1- tell a third person something about someone that you know not to be true 
2- as a result of what you told that person is harmed 

the pundit&#039;s statements where NOT something they knew not to be true and were in fact something they believed to be true - and any harm to prejean is the direct result of her own actions -]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean defamation &#8211; libel is when the statement is written and slander is oral &#8211; to be guilty of libel or slander, to put it simply, you must:<br />
1- tell a third person something about someone that you know not to be true<br />
2- as a result of what you told that person is harmed </p>
<p>the pundit&#8217;s statements where NOT something they knew not to be true and were in fact something they believed to be true &#8211; and any harm to prejean is the direct result of her own actions -</p>
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		<title>By: indygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66549</link>
		<dc:creator>indygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prejean claims she &quot;lost&quot; the title based on her answer - a bit arrogant, don&#039;t you think?  As if it were already hers?  You have to already have something to lose it -

I almost sympathized with her - then I got the whole story - she lied on her contract, claims to be a beacon of christianity yet posed for nude photos and then desecrated her body - where was &quot;satan&quot; when all this was going on?  

She has not taken a shred of responsibility for any of her own actions and has blamed everyone and everything (including the wind) for her &quot;misfortunes&quot;... 

She is supposed to be a &quot;role model&quot; for young women.  Some role model.  Both her and Trump have sent the message that it&#039;s O.K. to lie and cheat, as long as you are blonde and beautiful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prejean claims she &#8220;lost&#8221; the title based on her answer &#8211; a bit arrogant, don&#8217;t you think?  As if it were already hers?  You have to already have something to lose it -</p>
<p>I almost sympathized with her &#8211; then I got the whole story &#8211; she lied on her contract, claims to be a beacon of christianity yet posed for nude photos and then desecrated her body &#8211; where was &#8220;satan&#8221; when all this was going on?  </p>
<p>She has not taken a shred of responsibility for any of her own actions and has blamed everyone and everything (including the wind) for her &#8220;misfortunes&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>She is supposed to be a &#8220;role model&#8221; for young women.  Some role model.  Both her and Trump have sent the message that it&#8217;s O.K. to lie and cheat, as long as you are blonde and beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Max in Maine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max in Maine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1st amendment rights? No, you are right on that. Her issues with the question that was asked of her, and the judging personnel are issues she should take up with Mr. Trump and his organization.  However, some of the comments in the media afterwards by Mr. Lavandeira, Jr. and others like Keith Olbermann border on libel. Legally, her employer should not have released medical information about her, and the photographers probably violated their contracts with her by releasing her modeling photos without her consent.  Her speech was protected, however, she probably has a case against numerous people who&#039;ve allegedly attacked her and harmed her (reputation) intentionally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st amendment rights? No, you are right on that. Her issues with the question that was asked of her, and the judging personnel are issues she should take up with Mr. Trump and his organization.  However, some of the comments in the media afterwards by Mr. Lavandeira, Jr. and others like Keith Olbermann border on libel. Legally, her employer should not have released medical information about her, and the photographers probably violated their contracts with her by releasing her modeling photos without her consent.  Her speech was protected, however, she probably has a case against numerous people who&#8217;ve allegedly attacked her and harmed her (reputation) intentionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do what I can James :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do what I can James :)</p>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66519</link>
		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just for research purposes.&quot;  Thanks for my laugh out loud moment of the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just for research purposes.&#8221;  Thanks for my laugh out loud moment of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66494</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brad,

&quot;How serious a competition this truly is&quot; can also be demonstrated by the fact that it&#039;s owned by Donald Trump]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>&#8220;How serious a competition this truly is&#8221; can also be demonstrated by the fact that it&#8217;s owned by Donald Trump</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66492</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;6. If the people running the pageant didn’t want to risk hearing an answer to a question they did not like, they should not have asked the question.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, they hired Perez Hilton to sit on the panel asking questions, so you can see how serious of a competition this truly is.  The guy got famous for using MS Paint to write bad things about celebrities and post them on the web.  He&#039;s about as relevant to the world as, say, Carrie Prejean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>6. If the people running the pageant didn’t want to risk hearing an answer to a question they did not like, they should not have asked the question.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, they hired Perez Hilton to sit on the panel asking questions, so you can see how serious of a competition this truly is.  The guy got famous for using MS Paint to write bad things about celebrities and post them on the web.  He&#8217;s about as relevant to the world as, say, Carrie Prejean.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66491</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James,

&lt;blockquote&gt;If Leftwing blondes like the Dixie Chicks or Susan Sarandan can scream and holler about their 1A rights being threatened, and cry over “censorship” when they got hammered for their opinions they decided to express about the war, then I figure a rightwing blonde is no less entitled to do the same.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, she&#039;s fully entitled to scream and holler about &quot;censorship&quot;.  And just as I did when the Dixie Chicks did it, I&#039;m going to say that she&#039;s an idiot and making a completely spurious argument.  

You and I (and Doug) agree that it&#039;s not a 1A issue.  As far as I&#039;m concerned, I stopped caring about this even before I heard about it.  Doug tends to follow these cultural/media issues a lot closer than I do, so he criticized her for making that argument when it&#039;s clearly a misapplication of first amendment protections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<blockquote><p>If Leftwing blondes like the Dixie Chicks or Susan Sarandan can scream and holler about their 1A rights being threatened, and cry over “censorship” when they got hammered for their opinions they decided to express about the war, then I figure a rightwing blonde is no less entitled to do the same.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, she&#8217;s fully entitled to scream and holler about &#8220;censorship&#8221;.  And just as I did when the Dixie Chicks did it, I&#8217;m going to say that she&#8217;s an idiot and making a completely spurious argument.  </p>
<p>You and I (and Doug) agree that it&#8217;s not a 1A issue.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, I stopped caring about this even before I heard about it.  Doug tends to follow these cultural/media issues a lot closer than I do, so he criticized her for making that argument when it&#8217;s clearly a misapplication of first amendment protections.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Littau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Littau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[10 points about this silly controversy: 

1. Doug is absolutely right: Prejean’s First Amendment rights were not violated nor undermined in any way, shape, or form. This is a private contest and no one is entitled to win anything. 

2. Those who would say that the pageant has “no right” to “punish her” for her beliefs, riddle me this: do you believe the pageant would “have the right” to punish her if she said the Holocaust didn’t happen, 9/11 was an inside job, or said that interracial marriage should be illegal? 

3. Anyone who thinks Prejean is being “persecuted for her Christian beliefs” should look outside America to places like Iran and China. 

4. I also find it ironic that some Christians claim they are being discriminated against for discriminating against gay people. 

5. Prjean is not a hero, though I might say she was brave for speaking her mind (even though I disagree with her on this issue) when she could have given a more PC answer.

6. If the people running the pageant didn’t want to risk hearing an answer to a question they did not like, they should not have asked the question. (IMHO they should do away with the questions entirely and stick to the swimsuit and evening gown competition…that would be more honest). 

7. Rather than allow Prejean to receive victim status, those who favor gay marriage should ignore her rather than give her all this attention.

8. I viewed at least a few of the “semi-nude” pictures of Ms. Prejean (just for research purposes). Though they may be racy, I do not believe them to be pornographic. Anyone who has been to Times Square can tell you that the Cup-o-Noodle ads are more racy than these pictures.

9.Having said that, it’s up to the pageant officials as to whether Prejean violated her contract. 

10.Prejean should own up to posing for these pictures and stop blaming the photographers. For someone who was so “heroic” about speaking her mind on the gay marriage issue, she certainly isn’t heroic in this instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 points about this silly controversy: </p>
<p>1. Doug is absolutely right: Prejean’s First Amendment rights were not violated nor undermined in any way, shape, or form. This is a private contest and no one is entitled to win anything. </p>
<p>2. Those who would say that the pageant has “no right” to “punish her” for her beliefs, riddle me this: do you believe the pageant would “have the right” to punish her if she said the Holocaust didn’t happen, 9/11 was an inside job, or said that interracial marriage should be illegal? </p>
<p>3. Anyone who thinks Prejean is being “persecuted for her Christian beliefs” should look outside America to places like Iran and China. </p>
<p>4. I also find it ironic that some Christians claim they are being discriminated against for discriminating against gay people. </p>
<p>5. Prjean is not a hero, though I might say she was brave for speaking her mind (even though I disagree with her on this issue) when she could have given a more PC answer.</p>
<p>6. If the people running the pageant didn’t want to risk hearing an answer to a question they did not like, they should not have asked the question. (IMHO they should do away with the questions entirely and stick to the swimsuit and evening gown competition…that would be more honest). </p>
<p>7. Rather than allow Prejean to receive victim status, those who favor gay marriage should ignore her rather than give her all this attention.</p>
<p>8. I viewed at least a few of the “semi-nude” pictures of Ms. Prejean (just for research purposes). Though they may be racy, I do not believe them to be pornographic. Anyone who has been to Times Square can tell you that the Cup-o-Noodle ads are more racy than these pictures.</p>
<p>9.Having said that, it’s up to the pageant officials as to whether Prejean violated her contract. </p>
<p>10.Prejean should own up to posing for these pictures and stop blaming the photographers. For someone who was so “heroic” about speaking her mind on the gay marriage issue, she certainly isn’t heroic in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66487</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, I get it. You can’t be a Christian unless you follow the stereotypes certain non-Christians think you should follow - be repressed, sexless, covered from head to foot, boring prudes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Frankly, I don&#039;t care either way but I just find it culturally intriguing that she apparently has discovered a version of Christianity where it&#039;s unacceptable for two people who love each other to formalize their relationship but it&#039;s perfectly fine for women to pedal nude pictures of themselves and prance around stage in a bikini.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, I get it. You can’t be a Christian unless you follow the stereotypes certain non-Christians think you should follow &#8211; be repressed, sexless, covered from head to foot, boring prudes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t care either way but I just find it culturally intriguing that she apparently has discovered a version of Christianity where it&#8217;s unacceptable for two people who love each other to formalize their relationship but it&#8217;s perfectly fine for women to pedal nude pictures of themselves and prance around stage in a bikini.</p>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not? 

Oh, I get it.  You can&#039;t be a Christian unless you follow the stereotypes certain non-Christians think you should follow - be repressed, sexless, covered from head to foot, boring prudes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not? </p>
<p>Oh, I get it.  You can&#8217;t be a Christian unless you follow the stereotypes certain non-Christians think you should follow &#8211; be repressed, sexless, covered from head to foot, boring prudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-is-wrong-about-her-rights/#comment-66484</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Beauty contestants have those sorts of photos taken of themselves all the time. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But do self-professed Christians ?

I&#039;m just sayin&#039;.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Beauty contestants have those sorts of photos taken of themselves all the time. </p></blockquote>
<p>But do self-professed Christians ?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Leftwing blondes like the Dixie Chicks or Susan Sarandan can scream and holler about their 1A rights being threatened, and cry over &quot;censorship&quot; when they got hammered for their opinions they decided to express about the war, then I figure a rightwing blonde is no less entitled to do the same. 

I guess one difference might be that the Miss Calif. was asked a question she had no choice but to answer.   She either lies and gives the politically correct answer the gay guy who posed it wanted to hear; or she is honest and true to herself and gives virtually the same answer Obama gave during the campaign and an answer in line with over 50% of the voters in one of the more liberal/progressive states in America.  Which doesn&#039;t exactly make her opinion a nutty or &quot;fringe&quot; point of view.  

Kind of lose-lose, for her, dont&#039;cha think?  So she does have my sympathy. 

Versus the Dixie Chicks who voluntarily made their statements, with no prodding or baiting from anyone - and who then took great umbrage and exception to the public reaction in response. 

But you are indeed correct.  This is not a 1A issue. 

And good for The Donald for not buying into the ginned up nudie photos faux controversy.   There were no porn photos.  Beauty contestants have those sorts of photos taken of themselves all the time. 

Just my opinion, but the Gay Activists are really blowing (no pun intended) it with this strategy.  Bad moves.  Bad tactics.  Which will NOT resonate with the people whose minds they need to change.  It almost seems like they are getting their advice on how to win hearts and minds from the National Republican Party. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Leftwing blondes like the Dixie Chicks or Susan Sarandan can scream and holler about their 1A rights being threatened, and cry over &#8220;censorship&#8221; when they got hammered for their opinions they decided to express about the war, then I figure a rightwing blonde is no less entitled to do the same. </p>
<p>I guess one difference might be that the Miss Calif. was asked a question she had no choice but to answer.   She either lies and gives the politically correct answer the gay guy who posed it wanted to hear; or she is honest and true to herself and gives virtually the same answer Obama gave during the campaign and an answer in line with over 50% of the voters in one of the more liberal/progressive states in America.  Which doesn&#8217;t exactly make her opinion a nutty or &#8220;fringe&#8221; point of view.  </p>
<p>Kind of lose-lose, for her, dont&#8217;cha think?  So she does have my sympathy. </p>
<p>Versus the Dixie Chicks who voluntarily made their statements, with no prodding or baiting from anyone &#8211; and who then took great umbrage and exception to the public reaction in response. </p>
<p>But you are indeed correct.  This is not a 1A issue. </p>
<p>And good for The Donald for not buying into the ginned up nudie photos faux controversy.   There were no porn photos.  Beauty contestants have those sorts of photos taken of themselves all the time. </p>
<p>Just my opinion, but the Gay Activists are really blowing (no pun intended) it with this strategy.  Bad moves.  Bad tactics.  Which will NOT resonate with the people whose minds they need to change.  It almost seems like they are getting their advice on how to win hearts and minds from the National Republican Party. :)</p>
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