Comments on: Security Theatre Of The Absurd http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/ Life. Liberty. Property. Defending individual freedom and liberty, one post at a time. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:11:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John222 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67265 John222 Sat, 30 May 2009 14:48:36 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67265 southernjames, I stand corrected. I suppose you could sue the state, prisoners do it all the time. southernjames, I stand corrected. I suppose you could sue the state, prisoners do it all the time.

]]> By: southernjames http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67256 southernjames Sat, 30 May 2009 03:21:51 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67256 790.06 is a long statute. Further along from where you read.... 790.06 (6)(c). "The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services SHALL, within 90 days after the date of the receipt of items listed in subsection (5): 1. Issue the license; or 2. Deny the application based solely on the ground that the applicant fails to qualify under the criteria listed under....." The Department (for tens of thousands of applicants, not just me) is doing neither - due to the backlog of tens of thousands of applications. They don't have the manpower to handle the flood of applications they have received since around November or so of last year. There appears to be no legal recourse available. 790.06 is a long statute. Further along from where you read….

790.06 (6)(c). “The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services SHALL, within 90 days after the date of the receipt of items listed in subsection (5):
1. Issue the license; or
2. Deny the application based solely on the ground that the applicant fails to qualify under the criteria listed under…..”

The Department (for tens of thousands of applicants, not just me) is doing neither – due to the backlog of tens of thousands of applications. They don’t have the manpower to handle the flood of applications they have received since around November or so of last year.

There appears to be no legal recourse available.

]]> By: John222 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67252 John222 Sat, 30 May 2009 02:21:55 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67252 I don't know, I went back and read the statute. I don't see where it says they shall issue within 90 days. It just says they shall issue a license if the applicant....(Fl Statute 790.06). But even if it did specify 90 day response time, what could you do? Call a law enforcement officer? I don’t know, I went back and read the statute. I don’t see where it says they shall issue within 90 days. It just says they shall issue a license if the applicant….(Fl Statute 790.06). But even if it did specify 90 day response time, what could you do? Call a law enforcement officer?

]]> By: Akston http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67230 Akston Fri, 29 May 2009 16:48:44 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67230 The state statute mandates a 90 day turn-around? Did it also establish some sort of penalty for failure to perform? Of course not. "Failure to perform" penalties are most effective, responsive, and equitable when they come in the form of enforced contract obligations, lost business and eventual business failure. It's one of the several thousand reasons why actual free markets are superior to business by bureaucracy. The state statute mandates a 90 day turn-around? Did it also establish some sort of penalty for failure to perform? Of course not.

“Failure to perform” penalties are most effective, responsive, and equitable when they come in the form of enforced contract obligations, lost business and eventual business failure. It’s one of the several thousand reasons why actual free markets are superior to business by bureaucracy.

]]> By: Quincy http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67227 Quincy Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:22 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67227 <blockquote>And she told me (in her broken English) DO NOT call back before the end of July!</blockquote> Well, that's the kind of service one gets when one can't say no. And people want this for health care *why*?

And she told me (in her broken English) DO NOT call back before the end of July!

Well, that’s the kind of service one gets when one can’t say no. And people want this for health care *why*?

]]> By: Akston http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67226 Akston Fri, 29 May 2009 15:28:35 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67226 LOL LOL

]]> By: southernjames http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67224 southernjames Fri, 29 May 2009 14:23:29 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67224 It's supposed to take 90 days maximum to get my permit. By state statute. They got my application on February 23rd. After thirty minutes on hold, (following two straight days of getting a busy signal) the bureaucrat told me that it will be "at least" another two months. And she told me (in her broken English) DO NOT call back before the end of July! (170+ days it will be, at that point). I just LOVE big government! What's not to love? I feel so well taken care of. They know what's best. I bet GM a/k/a the Government Motors Corp., is not going to turn out at ALL like British Leyland or Trabant; and I bet they will make the Bestest Bestest "green," affordable, high quality tiny hybrids in the whole wide World!! And I can't WAIT until Aunt Nanny takes over my health care too! What could possibly go wrong? Rainbows, unicorns and puppies for everyone! I'm feelin the empathy. It’s supposed to take 90 days maximum to get my permit. By state statute. They got my application on February 23rd. After thirty minutes on hold, (following two straight days of getting a busy signal) the bureaucrat told me that it will be “at least” another two months. And she told me (in her broken English) DO NOT call back before the end of July! (170+ days it will be, at that point).

I just LOVE big government! What’s not to love? I feel so well taken care of. They know what’s best. I bet GM a/k/a the Government Motors Corp., is not going to turn out at ALL like British Leyland or Trabant; and I bet they will make the Bestest Bestest “green,” affordable, high quality tiny hybrids in the whole wide World!! And I can’t WAIT until Aunt Nanny takes over my health care too! What could possibly go wrong?

Rainbows, unicorns and puppies for everyone!

I’m feelin the empathy.

]]> By: Aimee http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67215 Aimee Fri, 29 May 2009 08:35:15 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67215 Nick, I always thought that was funny when I lived in Arizona. Nice not to have to go back to the DMV for so long, but dumb on their part. I think before I moved it was due to expire in 2045 also which would put me in my 60's by then. I'm sure I wouldn't have changed one bit in that time! :p Nick, I always thought that was funny when I lived in Arizona. Nice not to have to go back to the DMV for so long, but dumb on their part. I think before I moved it was due to expire in 2045 also which would put me in my 60’s by then. I’m sure I wouldn’t have changed one bit in that time! :p

]]> By: John222 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67204 John222 Thu, 28 May 2009 22:38:23 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67204 southernjames, Apparently, the backlog on Concealed Carry permits has to do with funding. Here is a link with more details: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4854 If you already have a permit, send your renewal in early. southernjames,

Apparently, the backlog on Concealed Carry permits has to do with funding. Here is a link with more details:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4854
If you already have a permit, send your renewal in early.

]]> By: RED http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67201 RED Thu, 28 May 2009 21:41:49 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67201 ASSHOLES! I am so sick of our nanny state bureaucrats trying to shove safety down our throats. My DL is up for renewal this year and guess what? I'm gonna have the biggest cheese-eating grin I can muster. EFF YOU BIG BRO!! ASSHOLES! I am so sick of our nanny state bureaucrats trying to shove safety down our throats. My DL is up for renewal this year and guess what? I’m gonna have the biggest cheese-eating grin I can muster. EFF YOU BIG BRO!!

]]> By: Nick M. http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67197 Nick M. Thu, 28 May 2009 20:40:05 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67197 Gotta love Arizona. My DL doesn't expire until 2045. Let's see if I look even remotely close then to what I did when I had photo taken. Gotta love Arizona. My DL doesn’t expire until 2045. Let’s see if I look even remotely close then to what I did when I had photo taken.

]]> By: southernjames http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/05/28/security-theatre-of-the-absurd/#comment-67188 southernjames Thu, 28 May 2009 19:16:31 +0000 http://www.thelibertypapers.org/?p=5937#comment-67188 I look terrible in photos no matter what, but even worse if I'm serious and not smiling. This is not a good development. My son and I took the Florida Concealed Carry course back in February. The package price included fingerprinting on the spot and also the mugshot passport size photo which gets sent to the State. The way my photo turned out, based on the background lighting, my (for whatever reason) decision to make a serious face, my messed up (pre-shower on a Saturday morning) hair, and me having my eyes way too wide open.... oh gosh, I looked like a crazy unhinged serial killer. My son had shaggy hair and a 5 day unshaven look going on at the time - and not to offend anybody's ethnic sensibilities or anything, but he looked like he could reside at Gitmo, if you get my drift. Needless to say, the maximum statutory 90-day turnaround time for us to get our permits, has come and gone. I'm just hoping it is due to all the massive backlog caused by the flood of applications they have received. And not due to somebody getting scared to death by those photos. Next time I'm smiling, no matter what the robot says. I look terrible in photos no matter what, but even worse if I’m serious and not smiling. This is not a good development.

My son and I took the Florida Concealed Carry course back in February. The package price included fingerprinting on the spot and also the mugshot passport size photo which gets sent to the State.

The way my photo turned out, based on the background lighting, my (for whatever reason) decision to make a serious face, my messed up (pre-shower on a Saturday morning) hair, and me having my eyes way too wide open…. oh gosh, I looked like a crazy unhinged serial killer. My son had shaggy hair and a 5 day unshaven look going on at the time – and not to offend anybody’s ethnic sensibilities or anything, but he looked like he could reside at Gitmo, if you get my drift.

Needless to say, the maximum statutory 90-day turnaround time for us to get our permits, has come and gone. I’m just hoping it is due to all the massive backlog caused by the flood of applications they have received. And not due to somebody getting scared to death by those photos.

Next time I’m smiling, no matter what the robot says.

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