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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re probably right on Premise 1. On Premise 2, though, you&#039;re over-estimating the role of facts in political debate. The political consensus &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; that it would have been &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; bad and &quot;letting Summers and Bernanke throw money around&quot; &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; the &quot;effective management&quot; of the situation. They don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; proof when they gots consensus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right on Premise 1. On Premise 2, though, you&#8217;re over-estimating the role of facts in political debate. The political consensus <em>is</em> that it would have been <em>that</em> bad and &#8220;letting Summers and Bernanke throw money around&#8221; <em>was</em> the &#8220;effective management&#8221; of the situation. They don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; proof when they gots consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

You&#039;re correct, in that the argument might be valid.  I&#039;d argue instead that it&#039;s unsound.

Premise 1: If the crisis had been worse, he could have passed cap&#039;n&#039;tax and health care reform.

Rebuttal: Not sure. Stimulus round 2? Yeah. Nationalization of the banks? Probably. Environmental regulation or socialization of health care (long-term problems for which the solution has little short-term appeal), I&#039;m not sure I buy it.

Premise 2: He effectively managed the economic situation.

Rebuttal: He let Summers &amp; Bernanke throw money around into the banking system with reckless abandon and passed a pork-laden stimulus package with spending that won&#039;t actually spend much until next year. And oversaw unemployment up to the 9.4% mark.  It&#039;s also highly unclear -- since the financial problems are ongoing -- whether they can keep the helicopter drops of money from turning into runaway inflation before the end of his term.

So I think premise 1 is arguable (but probably the stronger of the two).  Premise 2 suggests that without his &quot;effective management&quot;, the economy would have gone nuclear, which I think is unprovable (since you can&#039;t prove &lt;em&gt;what would have happened&lt;/em&gt;) and also incorrect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct, in that the argument might be valid.  I&#8217;d argue instead that it&#8217;s unsound.</p>
<p>Premise 1: If the crisis had been worse, he could have passed cap&#8217;n'tax and health care reform.</p>
<p>Rebuttal: Not sure. Stimulus round 2? Yeah. Nationalization of the banks? Probably. Environmental regulation or socialization of health care (long-term problems for which the solution has little short-term appeal), I&#8217;m not sure I buy it.</p>
<p>Premise 2: He effectively managed the economic situation.</p>
<p>Rebuttal: He let Summers &#038; Bernanke throw money around into the banking system with reckless abandon and passed a pork-laden stimulus package with spending that won&#8217;t actually spend much until next year. And oversaw unemployment up to the 9.4% mark.  It&#8217;s also highly unclear &#8212; since the financial problems are ongoing &#8212; whether they can keep the helicopter drops of money from turning into runaway inflation before the end of his term.</p>
<p>So I think premise 1 is arguable (but probably the stronger of the two).  Premise 2 suggests that without his &#8220;effective management&#8221;, the economy would have gone nuclear, which I think is unprovable (since you can&#8217;t prove <em>what would have happened</em>) and also incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: southernjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>southernjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So all the bad stuff in the economy that they are still struggling with is still all Bush&#039;s fault.  Any &quot;mess&quot; which is STILL a &quot;mess&quot; is a mess he &quot;inherited.&quot;    But anything in the economy that turned out NOT to be as bad as they thought it was going to be is NOT a result of any inherited conditions.  Oh no, it is a result of their &quot;effective management&quot; since mid-January. 

Shorter Emanuel:  &quot;Anything good?  We get ALL the credit!!  Anything bad?  Blame Booosh!!!&quot;

Let me get this straight:  He appears to be  saying that what they did was a &quot;mistake&quot; in that it did not cause sufficient economic MISERY, so that even more draconian reforms and transfer of power from the private sector to DC (like that January &quot;stimulus&quot; lard package) could have been crammed down the throat of a public in panic &quot;save us now&quot; mode.    So this Dickhead is now REGRETTING that unemployment did not hit 18% while President Wee Wee&#039;d was still above 50% in his approval ratings?  

I like that benign sounding &quot;sitting atop a much larger balance sheet.&quot; As if this multi-trillion dollar mess is just a little bothersome accounting quirk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So all the bad stuff in the economy that they are still struggling with is still all Bush&#8217;s fault.  Any &#8220;mess&#8221; which is STILL a &#8220;mess&#8221; is a mess he &#8220;inherited.&#8221;    But anything in the economy that turned out NOT to be as bad as they thought it was going to be is NOT a result of any inherited conditions.  Oh no, it is a result of their &#8220;effective management&#8221; since mid-January. </p>
<p>Shorter Emanuel:  &#8220;Anything good?  We get ALL the credit!!  Anything bad?  Blame Booosh!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me get this straight:  He appears to be  saying that what they did was a &#8220;mistake&#8221; in that it did not cause sufficient economic MISERY, so that even more draconian reforms and transfer of power from the private sector to DC (like that January &#8220;stimulus&#8221; lard package) could have been crammed down the throat of a public in panic &#8220;save us now&#8221; mode.    So this Dickhead is now REGRETTING that unemployment did not hit 18% while President Wee Wee&#8217;d was still above 50% in his approval ratings?  </p>
<p>I like that benign sounding &#8220;sitting atop a much larger balance sheet.&#8221; As if this multi-trillion dollar mess is just a little bothersome accounting quirk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, the logic sounds accurate. The part he neglected to mention is that there is enough vehement opposition to his policies that he could &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; push them through in an abnormal political climate. Kinda like the &quot;PATRIOT&quot; act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the logic sounds accurate. The part he neglected to mention is that there is enough vehement opposition to his policies that he could <em>only</em> push them through in an abnormal political climate. Kinda like the &#8220;PATRIOT&#8221; act.</p>
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