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	<title>Comments on: Norman Borlaug: The Man Who Saved A Billion People</title>
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		<title>By: TerryP</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/09/13/norman-borlaug-the-man-who-saved-a-billion-people/#comment-69447</link>
		<dc:creator>TerryP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quincy

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I loved your &quot;solution&quot; and the reasons you put it out there.  That solution could be taken to many other areas of life where we really like something when someone else is paying for it and we receive the benefits, but it is not so nice when we have to pay for it or take the responsibility for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quincy</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I loved your &#8220;solution&#8221; and the reasons you put it out there.  That solution could be taken to many other areas of life where we really like something when someone else is paying for it and we receive the benefits, but it is not so nice when we have to pay for it or take the responsibility for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Batra - 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Have I lost my marbles or is this uniquely a “home of the free” USA syndrome, where some idiots who can push keys on a computer, say whatever they please, even shout “fire’ in a crowded theater, if deemed necessary by them, without any sense of responsibility, relevance, reason or rhyme? Yes, some are even free to be ignorant and commit suicide; in fact, many do! Long live freedoms of America…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;ve not lost your marbles, sir.  The comment threads on this particular blog are filled with some of the most varied and colorful opinions and rhetoric that can be found on the internet.  Often, they drift completely off-topic into areas of conversation that are sometimes illuminating, sometimes frustrating, and sometimes frightening.

As an editor, I rather enjoy this free-wheeling aspect of the comment section as it gives me the chance to challenge ideas I disagree with.  Sometimes, I&#039;ll admit to using colorful implementations of logical arguments like I did earlier in the thread.

With regards to your challenge on taking responsibility, if you want the collected viewpoints of the editors, please feel free to view the archives of this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Batra &#8211; </p>
<blockquote><p>Have I lost my marbles or is this uniquely a “home of the free” USA syndrome, where some idiots who can push keys on a computer, say whatever they please, even shout “fire’ in a crowded theater, if deemed necessary by them, without any sense of responsibility, relevance, reason or rhyme? Yes, some are even free to be ignorant and commit suicide; in fact, many do! Long live freedoms of America…</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;ve not lost your marbles, sir.  The comment threads on this particular blog are filled with some of the most varied and colorful opinions and rhetoric that can be found on the internet.  Often, they drift completely off-topic into areas of conversation that are sometimes illuminating, sometimes frustrating, and sometimes frightening.</p>
<p>As an editor, I rather enjoy this free-wheeling aspect of the comment section as it gives me the chance to challenge ideas I disagree with.  Sometimes, I&#8217;ll admit to using colorful implementations of logical arguments like I did earlier in the thread.</p>
<p>With regards to your challenge on taking responsibility, if you want the collected viewpoints of the editors, please feel free to view the archives of this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Batra, 

We&#039;re around, but the comment section is generally an area for free-form discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Batra, </p>
<p>We&#8217;re around, but the comment section is generally an area for free-form discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: GK Paul Batra, Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/09/13/norman-borlaug-the-man-who-saved-a-billion-people/#comment-69439</link>
		<dc:creator>GK Paul Batra, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I lost my marbles or is this uniquely a &quot;home of the free&quot; USA syndrome, where some idiots who can push keys on a computer, say whatever they please, even shout &quot;fire&#039; in a crowded theater, if deemed necessary by them, without any sense of responsibility, relevance, reason or rhyme? Yes, some are even free to be ignorant and commit suicide; in fact, many do! Long live freedoms of America... 

The news supposedly (and subsequent comments) was about the passing away of Norman E Borlaug, an iconoclast of green revolution, and not about overpopulation, or whose point of view is more valid, cockeyed, or not for a possible solution to the perceived problem? 

Extending the argument, for instance, will American jurisprudence hold johns accountable for ruining countless lives of young prostitutes, or do drug addicts take any responsibility for their addiction or only the farmers of Colombia or Afghanistan are to be entirely blamed for producing cocaine and heroin?  Similarly, do American drivers of fossil fuel (gas) guzzlers take any responsibility for their excesses, or must we blame only the Arabs for their supposed price-gouging or the expansionist Brazilians for depleting &quot;their&quot; rain forests and, thus, supposedly causing global warming? 

Finally, are editors of Liberty Papers awake and monitoring all this nonsense and, if so, can we expect this madness to end any time soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I lost my marbles or is this uniquely a &#8220;home of the free&#8221; USA syndrome, where some idiots who can push keys on a computer, say whatever they please, even shout &#8220;fire&#8217; in a crowded theater, if deemed necessary by them, without any sense of responsibility, relevance, reason or rhyme? Yes, some are even free to be ignorant and commit suicide; in fact, many do! Long live freedoms of America&#8230; </p>
<p>The news supposedly (and subsequent comments) was about the passing away of Norman E Borlaug, an iconoclast of green revolution, and not about overpopulation, or whose point of view is more valid, cockeyed, or not for a possible solution to the perceived problem? </p>
<p>Extending the argument, for instance, will American jurisprudence hold johns accountable for ruining countless lives of young prostitutes, or do drug addicts take any responsibility for their addiction or only the farmers of Colombia or Afghanistan are to be entirely blamed for producing cocaine and heroin?  Similarly, do American drivers of fossil fuel (gas) guzzlers take any responsibility for their excesses, or must we blame only the Arabs for their supposed price-gouging or the expansionist Brazilians for depleting &#8220;their&#8221; rain forests and, thus, supposedly causing global warming? </p>
<p>Finally, are editors of Liberty Papers awake and monitoring all this nonsense and, if so, can we expect this madness to end any time soon?</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/09/13/norman-borlaug-the-man-who-saved-a-billion-people/#comment-69438</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TerryP - 

My solution was more a caustic calling out of those who call for reduced population but expect the pain to be borne by others than themselves.  I completely agree that the freedom to innovate and cooperate that the free market brings will be the real solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TerryP &#8211; </p>
<p>My solution was more a caustic calling out of those who call for reduced population but expect the pain to be borne by others than themselves.  I completely agree that the freedom to innovate and cooperate that the free market brings will be the real solution.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond Quincy&#039;s solution, there is another solution and it is called the free-market.  Every country that has tried it has gotten richer and generally when they become richer they have less kids.  Now we just need to try and get all the poor countries in the world to try something that we are turning our back on in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond Quincy&#8217;s solution, there is another solution and it is called the free-market.  Every country that has tried it has gotten richer and generally when they become richer they have less kids.  Now we just need to try and get all the poor countries in the world to try something that we are turning our back on in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aimee - 

Yeah.  It&#039;s funny what happens when you offer these nuts both a solution and the opportunity explain why they&#039;re more special than those &quot;other&quot; people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aimee &#8211; </p>
<p>Yeah.  It&#8217;s funny what happens when you offer these nuts both a solution and the opportunity explain why they&#8217;re more special than those &#8220;other&#8221; people.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quincy, I agree with you and you were able to say it much better than I could have. Funny how the comments stopped once you gave them a solution. I too would like to know why it is okay for them to continue living and having kids while elsewhere it shouldn&#039;t be allowed to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quincy, I agree with you and you were able to say it much better than I could have. Funny how the comments stopped once you gave them a solution. I too would like to know why it is okay for them to continue living and having kids while elsewhere it shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Rahmani</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/09/13/norman-borlaug-the-man-who-saved-a-billion-people/#comment-69412</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Rahmani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Borlaug did the world a great service by giving us an additional half-century to solve the problem of population control.

It is not his fault that we did not address the problem in the time he gave us. His projects were carried out with the noblest of intentions for humanity.

Now, unfortunately, we find ourselves back at square one, needing another Dr. Borlaug. Over the next fifty years, we may have one last chance to increase food production yet again with genetic modification, and along with those gains, one last chance to get a handle on population growth.

But I do not foresee another chance after that. Food crops can only be pushed so far. We are already seeing dramatic diminishing returns from our biotechnology efforts.

-Jayant &quot;John&quot; Rahmani</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Borlaug did the world a great service by giving us an additional half-century to solve the problem of population control.</p>
<p>It is not his fault that we did not address the problem in the time he gave us. His projects were carried out with the noblest of intentions for humanity.</p>
<p>Now, unfortunately, we find ourselves back at square one, needing another Dr. Borlaug. Over the next fifty years, we may have one last chance to increase food production yet again with genetic modification, and along with those gains, one last chance to get a handle on population growth.</p>
<p>But I do not foresee another chance after that. Food crops can only be pushed so far. We are already seeing dramatic diminishing returns from our biotechnology efforts.</p>
<p>-Jayant &#8220;John&#8221; Rahmani</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/09/13/norman-borlaug-the-man-who-saved-a-billion-people/#comment-69355</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about perfect being the enemy of good.  No one has the knowledge to create a perfect solution to any major world problem.  Human beings just ain&#039;t that smart.

Every generation of human technology is imperfect.  Improvements to address the most immediate of those are introduced, creating the next generation of technology.  In this particular case, Borlaug was the one who came up with a solution that was good enough to save billions of lives.  Not a perfect solution, though, as it comes with a new set of problems.

What&#039;s needed is people of this generation looking for solutions to make this level of agriculture sustainable.  Not whining, bitching, or recriminating.

On the subject of reducing the world population, I&#039;m a big proponent of leading by example.  I believe each and every person calling for a reduced world population has the duty to reduce themselves from the population first.

Wait, what&#039;s that?  You&#039;re too valuable a human being to commit suicide?  What makes you, o population reduction advocate, more valuable than someone else?  Well, if you&#039;re not going to do your moral duty and commit suicide, at least take the paltry measure of not having kids.  

Wait, you still want two kids?  You need to make sure that there are some educated people in the world?  Fine.  Then who should be prevented from having children so you can have your kids.

Really, I&#039;m interested in some answers to these from population reductionists.  It&#039;s so easy for them to declare that things should be done to other people.  Why shouldn&#039;t they apply to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about perfect being the enemy of good.  No one has the knowledge to create a perfect solution to any major world problem.  Human beings just ain&#8217;t that smart.</p>
<p>Every generation of human technology is imperfect.  Improvements to address the most immediate of those are introduced, creating the next generation of technology.  In this particular case, Borlaug was the one who came up with a solution that was good enough to save billions of lives.  Not a perfect solution, though, as it comes with a new set of problems.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s needed is people of this generation looking for solutions to make this level of agriculture sustainable.  Not whining, bitching, or recriminating.</p>
<p>On the subject of reducing the world population, I&#8217;m a big proponent of leading by example.  I believe each and every person calling for a reduced world population has the duty to reduce themselves from the population first.</p>
<p>Wait, what&#8217;s that?  You&#8217;re too valuable a human being to commit suicide?  What makes you, o population reduction advocate, more valuable than someone else?  Well, if you&#8217;re not going to do your moral duty and commit suicide, at least take the paltry measure of not having kids.  </p>
<p>Wait, you still want two kids?  You need to make sure that there are some educated people in the world?  Fine.  Then who should be prevented from having children so you can have your kids.</p>
<p>Really, I&#8217;m interested in some answers to these from population reductionists.  It&#8217;s so easy for them to declare that things should be done to other people.  Why shouldn&#8217;t they apply to you?</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Norman Borlaug: The Man Who Saved A Billion People&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Norman Borlaug: The Man Who Saved A Billion People&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great plant scientist has died at 95. Tributes: Doug Mataconis/Liberty Papers, Ronald Bailey/Reason, Coyote, Jonathan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: L R A Narayan--India</title>
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		<dc:creator>L R A Narayan--India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have met him several times and he is really ajolly good man.He is very unassuming and mixes freely with all who is interested in enhancing production in agriculture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have met him several times and he is really ajolly good man.He is very unassuming and mixes freely with all who is interested in enhancing production in agriculture</p>
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		<title>By: L R A Narayan--India</title>
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		<dc:creator>L R A Narayan--India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have met him several times and he is really ajolly good man.He is very unassuming and mixes freely with all who is interested in enhancing production in agriculture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have met him several times and he is really ajolly good man.He is very unassuming and mixes freely with all who is interested in enhancing production in agriculture</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Thiagarajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Thiagarajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To set the record straight. I have a great respect and admiration for Norman Borlaug. But for him many millions would have starved to death. It is what we, the Agricultural Scientist did with his lead. If we have known what we know now we would have focused our research towards genetically pest-disease resistant varieties and drought resistant plants, microbial fertilizers and the like. That is why I want the new young Agricultural Scientist to concentrate on these and not towards finding more pesticides and chemical fertilizers and chemical enhancers.
We should also spend our energy in educating the world on environment and the effect of population explosion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To set the record straight. I have a great respect and admiration for Norman Borlaug. But for him many millions would have starved to death. It is what we, the Agricultural Scientist did with his lead. If we have known what we know now we would have focused our research towards genetically pest-disease resistant varieties and drought resistant plants, microbial fertilizers and the like. That is why I want the new young Agricultural Scientist to concentrate on these and not towards finding more pesticides and chemical fertilizers and chemical enhancers.<br />
We should also spend our energy in educating the world on environment and the effect of population explosion.</p>
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		<title>By: silvermine</title>
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		<dc:creator>silvermine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jj -- I guess it&#039;s easy to call for the death of millions of people when they are far away and not you. But the idea of it disgusts me. Actually wishing for millions of people to starve to death?</description>
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