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		<title>By: Eric Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72798</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point taken, Doug, but I think the gist of the so-called &quot;states&#039; rights movement&quot; is to restore some semblance of subsidiarity in our republic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, Doug, but I think the gist of the so-called &#8220;states&#8217; rights movement&#8221; is to restore some semblance of subsidiarity in our republic.</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72723</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[governments have powers not rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>governments have powers not rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Bowen</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72710</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all due respect, it doesn&#039;t really matter whether you think it&#039;s legitimate or not.  Legitimacy is determined by who has more guns and who has more of a desire to use them.  We can all do the song and dance thing about whether rights come from governments or are naturally-occurring (or worse, God-given) and individual in nature, but in the end the whole debate will be about as fruitful as a debate over the existence of His Noodliness.  Once you start going down the path of legitimacy based upon interpretation then all you&#039;ve done is give every other group the legitimate right to get enough people to act in a similar manner based upon the same principle (which is all that&#039;s happening in the case of the marijuana ballot; one group of people long ago interpreted the Constitution one way for their purposes and now they&#039;re (and you&#039;re) trying to interpret it another way for your purposes (by the way, where in the Constitution does it say that Congress can abridge the right to bear firearms in certain cases?)).  You of all people certainly don&#039;t need to be told that the meaning of statutory law is all in the eye of the beholder; man made it, therefore man can make it into whatever he wants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, it doesn&#8217;t really matter whether you think it&#8217;s legitimate or not.  Legitimacy is determined by who has more guns and who has more of a desire to use them.  We can all do the song and dance thing about whether rights come from governments or are naturally-occurring (or worse, God-given) and individual in nature, but in the end the whole debate will be about as fruitful as a debate over the existence of His Noodliness.  Once you start going down the path of legitimacy based upon interpretation then all you&#8217;ve done is give every other group the legitimate right to get enough people to act in a similar manner based upon the same principle (which is all that&#8217;s happening in the case of the marijuana ballot; one group of people long ago interpreted the Constitution one way for their purposes and now they&#8217;re (and you&#8217;re) trying to interpret it another way for your purposes (by the way, where in the Constitution does it say that Congress can abridge the right to bear firearms in certain cases?)).  You of all people certainly don&#8217;t need to be told that the meaning of statutory law is all in the eye of the beholder; man made it, therefore man can make it into whatever he wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72709</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 01:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Justin,

But you assume that I agree that the Federal drug laws are legitimate. I do not. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that authorizes Congress to ban drugs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>But you assume that I agree that the Federal drug laws are legitimate. I do not. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that authorizes Congress to ban drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Bowen</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72708</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 01:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;More importantly, we fought a war that pretty much resolved the issue of state’s rights, and afterwords passed an amendment that significantly altered the relationship between the states and the federal government. Whatever the “rights” of the states may have been before the ratification of the 14th Amendment, they were significantly cut back by it’s adoption. So it is pointless to talk about the 10th Amendment in a vacuum as if the 14th Amendment doesn’t exist.&lt;/i&gt;

The California ballot measure is intended to create a state law to overrule federal law.  It&#039;s pretty much a libertarian&#039;s dream ballot measure - except that it would have to rely almost entirely on the 10th Amendment in court for its survival when the state (or someone operating under the state law) is sued by the federal government.  What other possible defenses would a person have against a federal lawsuit if they operated legally under the state law while in violation of federal law?

I agree that it&#039;s absurd to talk about states&#039; rights because rights apply only to individuals.  That aside, if states&#039; rights under the aegis of the 10th Amendment is an absurd notion viz-a-viz the power relationship between states and the federal government in light of the Civil War (or whatever you want to call it) and the 14th Amendment, then California&#039;s marijuana-legalization ballot measure is an equally-absurd notion.  The ballot measure is little more than an attempt at nullification of a federal law (in fact, that&#039;s about exactly what it is).  Because might makes right and because the current interpretation of the Commerce Clause and the 14th Amendment gives the federal government almost limitless power (two realities that, as you points out, can&#039;t be ignored), the California ballot measure, if successful, should be viewed with trepidation by libertarians.

Am I missing something here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>More importantly, we fought a war that pretty much resolved the issue of state’s rights, and afterwords passed an amendment that significantly altered the relationship between the states and the federal government. Whatever the “rights” of the states may have been before the ratification of the 14th Amendment, they were significantly cut back by it’s adoption. So it is pointless to talk about the 10th Amendment in a vacuum as if the 14th Amendment doesn’t exist.</i></p>
<p>The California ballot measure is intended to create a state law to overrule federal law.  It&#8217;s pretty much a libertarian&#8217;s dream ballot measure &#8211; except that it would have to rely almost entirely on the 10th Amendment in court for its survival when the state (or someone operating under the state law) is sued by the federal government.  What other possible defenses would a person have against a federal lawsuit if they operated legally under the state law while in violation of federal law?</p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s absurd to talk about states&#8217; rights because rights apply only to individuals.  That aside, if states&#8217; rights under the aegis of the 10th Amendment is an absurd notion viz-a-viz the power relationship between states and the federal government in light of the Civil War (or whatever you want to call it) and the 14th Amendment, then California&#8217;s marijuana-legalization ballot measure is an equally-absurd notion.  The ballot measure is little more than an attempt at nullification of a federal law (in fact, that&#8217;s about exactly what it is).  Because might makes right and because the current interpretation of the Commerce Clause and the 14th Amendment gives the federal government almost limitless power (two realities that, as you points out, can&#8217;t be ignored), the California ballot measure, if successful, should be viewed with trepidation by libertarians.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72707</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 01:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would you say that Justin ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you say that Justin ?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Bowen</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72706</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 01:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m guessing that you don&#039;t think too highly of California&#039;s marijuana-legalization measure on the November ballot then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing that you don&#8217;t think too highly of California&#8217;s marijuana-legalization measure on the November ballot then?</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72703</link>
		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 22:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;States don&#039;t have rights. Individuals do.&quot;

Green stole that line from me. Or did I steal it from Ayn Rand? Can&#039;t remember...   ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;States don&#8217;t have rights. Individuals do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Green stole that line from me. Or did I steal it from Ayn Rand? Can&#8217;t remember&#8230;   ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Procopius</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2010/05/29/there-is-no-such-thing-as-states-rights/#comment-72700</link>
		<dc:creator>Procopius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 17:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to believe, but in fact not everything on the planet is about racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to believe, but in fact not everything on the planet is about racism.</p>
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