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	<title>Comments on: Gov. Deval Patrick Vetoes Bipartisan Bill that Would Prohibit EBT Card Fraud and Abuse</title>
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		<title>By: procopius</title>
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		<dc:creator>procopius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is exactly why I support banning anyone over the age of 65 from entering a casino.

I mean, the very least the recipients of Social Security can do is buy SECURITY with it rather than scratchy tickets and slot machine tournament entries,&quot;

Interesting statement, and to be honest with you, I&#039;ve felt 100% like this towards SS beneficiaries in casinos for many years.  But then one day I took into account what the nature of SS is supposed to be.  Notwithstanding who can get SS these days, this was initially laid out to be something that&#039;s not a &quot;true&quot; entitlement, but rather scaled to the taxes a person has paid over a lifetime.

I think that that sharp, depressing pang in the stomach I&#039;ve felt when watching old people gambling their monthly SS checks in a casino, was really a moral response, rather than an unspoken argument against entitlement misuse.  

Then it hit me that even the moral response is baseless, at least in my case.  I got the standard amount of govt PEL subsidies in college and GOD KNOWS what complete bullshit I spent *that* money on.  I cant even remember now, but can guarantee that it was spent on things that weren&#039;t exactly &quot;wise&quot;.  And that was a true entitlement to boot.

So what I&#039;m saying is that the idea of a ban on senior citizens spending SS checks on certain things has no grounds on neither the Entitlement Standpoint, nor the Moral Standpoint.

*That said*, it would make me happier to see old people give more of a shit and instead hand those checks over to something far more redeeming (and compared to gambling almost anything else would qualify) than to put those checks straight into a slot machine.
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This has little comparison to the actual article here, which is about EBT cards, which is pretty much a hardcore &quot;entitlement&quot; and which I pretty much am in agreement with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is exactly why I support banning anyone over the age of 65 from entering a casino.</p>
<p>I mean, the very least the recipients of Social Security can do is buy SECURITY with it rather than scratchy tickets and slot machine tournament entries,&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting statement, and to be honest with you, I&#8217;ve felt 100% like this towards SS beneficiaries in casinos for many years.  But then one day I took into account what the nature of SS is supposed to be.  Notwithstanding who can get SS these days, this was initially laid out to be something that&#8217;s not a &#8220;true&#8221; entitlement, but rather scaled to the taxes a person has paid over a lifetime.</p>
<p>I think that that sharp, depressing pang in the stomach I&#8217;ve felt when watching old people gambling their monthly SS checks in a casino, was really a moral response, rather than an unspoken argument against entitlement misuse.  </p>
<p>Then it hit me that even the moral response is baseless, at least in my case.  I got the standard amount of govt PEL subsidies in college and GOD KNOWS what complete bullshit I spent *that* money on.  I cant even remember now, but can guarantee that it was spent on things that weren&#8217;t exactly &#8220;wise&#8221;.  And that was a true entitlement to boot.</p>
<p>So what I&#8217;m saying is that the idea of a ban on senior citizens spending SS checks on certain things has no grounds on neither the Entitlement Standpoint, nor the Moral Standpoint.</p>
<p>*That said*, it would make me happier to see old people give more of a shit and instead hand those checks over to something far more redeeming (and compared to gambling almost anything else would qualify) than to put those checks straight into a slot machine.<br />
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This has little comparison to the actual article here, which is about EBT cards, which is pretty much a hardcore &#8220;entitlement&#8221; and which I pretty much am in agreement with.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2012/07/11/gov-deval-patrick-vetoes-bipartisan-bill-that-would-prohibit-ebt-card-fraud-and-abuse/#comment-86052</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose the charitable interpretation is that he doesn&#039;t want the regulatory structure unduly hampered by inflexible requirements imposed willy-nilly by the legislature.

But I have to agree that requiring that food aid be used for basics (like...food!) instead of luxuries is not exactly a unexpected requirement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the charitable interpretation is that he doesn&#8217;t want the regulatory structure unduly hampered by inflexible requirements imposed willy-nilly by the legislature.</p>
<p>But I have to agree that requiring that food aid be used for basics (like&#8230;food!) instead of luxuries is not exactly a unexpected requirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Akston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Food stamps are government charity for poor people...to buy food.

Social security is a citizen&#039;s own money returned to him after theoretically being held &quot;in trust&quot; for decades.  The money, once collected, is then immediately lent back out to the general fund, spent, and gone.  That&#039;s certainly an indictment of political management of citizens&#039; money, but it does not turn FICA into charity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food stamps are government charity for poor people&#8230;to buy food.</p>
<p>Social security is a citizen&#8217;s own money returned to him after theoretically being held &#8220;in trust&#8221; for decades.  The money, once collected, is then immediately lent back out to the general fund, spent, and gone.  That&#8217;s certainly an indictment of political management of citizens&#8217; money, but it does not turn FICA into charity.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tozzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Tozzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is exactly why I support banning anyone over the age of 65 from entering a casino.

I mean, the very least the recipients of Social Security can do is buy SECURITY with it rather than scratchy tickets and slot machine tournament entries,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why I support banning anyone over the age of 65 from entering a casino.</p>
<p>I mean, the very least the recipients of Social Security can do is buy SECURITY with it rather than scratchy tickets and slot machine tournament entries,</p>
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